Tina Barber Article - Whos Who - Shiloh Shepherds vs Wannabe's
Please note the pictures shown above.  On the left side you see a new ISSR Licensed Breeder proudly showing her dog under Tina at a Shiloh Shepherd Specialty...on the right you can see an officer of the "new club"  trying to block Tina's view of *their* show dogs.  Why? Are they THAT ashamed of what they have been producing?

Be sure to take some time to read all of Tina's Broken Hearted reports!!

Definitions
 

Shiloh Shepherds = My kennel name since 1974 http://www.shilohhistory.com
 
Splinter = Those that have at one time signed the LBA and worked with the breed founder, but later chose to "jump ship" and do "their own thing". These people are also listed in our breeder matrix and have NO legal right to complain about their name and valid - documented - data being shared here!
     
Slivers =

Those that never signed the LBA, but joined the splinters in order to pump out mixed breed pups under MY name. These same people have since changed "registry" affiliations many times and therefore since they have "splintered" off from the splinters they are now called "slivers".

 
"The" WANNABE's* =

Are those who have also NEVER been affiliated with the ISSR - probably NEVER even met Tina Barber (breed founder), never read her articles and certainly NEVER studied in the OSSA program/gone to any of the Barber family's seminars and probably NEVER even read my book!!

They are just using her "Shiloh" NAME   (and most of them use the words "SHILOH SHEPHERDS" as part of their "kennel" name -- WHY??) to sell their pups for a LOT more money - despite the fact that all they are producing are poor "pet quality" (AKA BYB) GSD mixes that have NO chance of ever being recognized by ANY legitimate registry!! Please read Shiloh "Fraud".

 

* Please note: I was threatened with a a lawsuit by one of the Wannabe's listed below, so in order to keep my word (not to expose their name), I have reversed it. More details regarding this legal action will be exposed shortly! Please watch for additional "legal" updates. This part among others was quoted back to me.  The lawyer implied that I was "slandering"?? his clients with "a series of false and defamatory statements" - amazing, isn't it? I guess that truth hurts and free speech is now forbidden?

Important Message from Tina Barber

Furthermore, upon legal advice to "just remove the names" of those that are insisting on using my name in order to sell their pups because they have threatened to take ME to court in hopes that I would choose NOT to WASTE $$ fighting them all over the country -- I am doing so for EACH one that has sent me a threatening request so that YOU can clearly see WHO they are!! VBG! However I am leaving the rest of the info as it was.

IF YOU HAVE PURCHASED A PUPPY/DOG FROM ONE OF THESE PEOPLE YOU CAN TAKE LEGAL ACTION.

 

* As per the legal action taken against me, by one of the folks

listed below,

the term "frauds" has been changed to "Bleeps". 

 ROTFLMAO

 

LEARN MORE ABOUT THEM!!

Kennel Name
Owner
OSSA/
VIB Affiliation
Litters
within
ISSR
Current
Affiliation
Gary
Split
1997
Artus
Split
1998
Gossip
2002-3
CASSA
2004
Gossip
2004-5
Canada
2005
Gaby
Fiasco
2006
Abba's Shiloh Shepherds
Michelle Wirrell
2003-6 1 TSSR             x
Atlantic Sable Shilohs
Jayne Polem 
2001-5 2 NSBR           x  
Bearpaw Shilohs
Nancy Schmidt 
2003-6 0 TSSR             x
BelleGrace Shilohs
Dawn Swick 
2000-6 1 TSSR             x
Blue Moon Shilohs
Katie Gallagher 
2000-2 1 Unknown     x        
Brick Chapel Shiloh Shepherds
Rhonda Van Emon 
2005-6 0 TSSR             x
CJ Shiloh Shepherds
Judy Vaneman 
1994-7 3 ISSDCR
NSBR
x            
Gateway Kennel
Becky Althoff
1996-7 0 TSSR x            
Gemini Kennels
Dorothy Piscitelli
1996-8 1 Unknown   x          
Genesis Shilohs
Michelle Bowler
2005 0 NSBR           x  
Haus VID - House for Very Important Dogs 
Gabriele Wellik
2002-6 1 NSBR             x
Highlander Shiloh Shepherds 
Lyn Segee
1996-2006 7 NSBR
TSSR
            x
Howling Winds Shiloh Shepherds
Jan Lutsic
2001-6 2 Unknown             x
Shilohs of Kai-Lyn
Viriginia Storey
2001-3 0 TSSR     x        
KeyStone Shilohs
Cher Bender 
2002-4 0 NSBR         x    
Lakeway Kennel
Tina Porter 
1995-7 0 ISSDCR
TSSR
x            
Majestic Knights Shilohs
Shari Lowe 
2001-5 2 Unknown         x    
Noble Acres Shiloh Shepherds
Gloria Setterlund 
2001-4 1 TSSR       x      
Pack's Hilltop Kennels
Chary Pack
1995-2001 8 No longer
breeding
    x        
Windsong Kennel
Wendy Fullerton
Raid the Wind Kennels
Wendy Fullerton and Diane McClure 
WF -1992-7

WF/DM-1999-2004
8

------
5
ISSDCR
Unknown
x     x      
Sequoia Shepherds
Heather O'Connor 
2003-4 0 Unknown       x      
Shadowhill Shilohs
Audrey Harrison
2001-4 0 Unknown       x      
ShadowGate Farm
Cheryl Mundy 
2003-5 0 TSSR
NSBR
          x  
Shamrock Shilohs
Ken and Barb Taylor
A few weeks in 2005 0 TSSR
NSBR
          x  
SHENANDOAH KENNELS
Patti Schaefer 
1996-98 7 ISSDCr
TSSR
NSBR
  x          
Sierra Shiloh Shepherds
Susi Ramstead 
1995-97 0 ISSDCr
TSSR
x            
Siskiyou Shepherds
Bev Roth
1995-2005 0 Unknown         x    
Sunstar Kennels
Gale Richardson
1993-1997 3 ISSDCr
TSSR
x            
Tantara's Shiloh Shepherds
Suzy Graham 
1996-97 0 ISSDCr
TSSR
Unknown
x            
Wolfden Shilohs
Bill and Jill Gerew
2001-2006 0 TSSR             x
                     
      Totals 7 2 3 4 3 4 8

Please Note: None of those listed above have any viable ISSR breeding dogs left. Most of the dogs they took with them are already retired/too old to be bred! What they "MAY" have is some 2nd - 3rd generation progeny that were never involved in the LMX program/properly evaluated at a LER, therefore they would be considered UNPAPERED PET QUALITY stock - at best!! However since most have been INBRED (improperly) or bred to questionable GSD (outcrosses) they cannot be considered anything other than "mixed breed mutts" and should certainly NOT be called Shiloh Shepherds - a "breed" still under development!! What is a Shiloh Shepherd

Now let's look at the NEW group of self proclaimed "Shiloh Shepherd" wannabe [bleep]s that are trying to scam you into buying one of their mixes!!

 

Why are so many of those folks breeding the "bleeps"*??
 

Last night I talked to a victim that had been fooled into buying one of the "fraud" puppies, so while he was asking me for help in locating Patti Schaefer so that he could start legal action against her -- I managed to pick his brain a bit -- it's always nice to hear the real story, from the poor victim's perspective!

It seems that he knew a teacher/friend that bragged about his "new found" "breed" -- and yes, I went to see his web site, but if you go & look at GSD sites (especially those that breed the long haired ones) you will hear them talking the SAME way about their dogs!! That does NOT mean that this person found a SHILOH -- if you are used to a "normal" dog - one a bit smarter can be very impressive -- but you still have NOT found a real Hobo dog!! RIGHT?? See what I mean?? For those of you that might be super happy to find a bag with $10,000 -- how would you feel if the bag had a million dollars in it?? The same way?? That's the difference between a great GSD & a Shiloh Shepherd -- So although those [bleep]s may occasionally produce a nice GSD/shiloh mix -- they still have NEVER met a REAL DEAL SHILOH!!

Please read What is a Shiloh Shepherd?
 

So why do those [bleep]s seem so "happy" with their dogs & keep spewing forth their foolish lies?? Because they are STUCK! Those folks have invested a ton of money into their new business venture and they can't afford to back out -- no matter what!! For example, in order to start with 3-4 "breeding dogs" plus all of the paraphernalia (dishes, crates, runs, x-pens, you name it!) it will run those folks close to $10,000 -- that's a lot of time and money for normal people that are JUST getting by in this depressed economy!! Like the man said -- many of those "breeders" live in squalor!! Some of them have suburban farms -- but they are trying to hold on to them any way they can, and if pumping out pups will help -- then so be it ... at least it's LEGAL money .... even if not very moral! They probably know that they are deceiving the public - but Greed rules!! Look at my list -- I have tried to give you a glimpse into who those folks are -- use that knowledge to protect your pocket book & your family!!
 

When you purchase an unpredictable pup (that isn't "wired" right) you are bringing a potential time bomb into your family!! If you have small children, have you EVER seen the kind of damage a dog like that can to to them?? I have seen a little boy that was attacked by an 80# GSD -- he was bitten in the face & his ear was torn off -- his nose was so deformed that he may NEVER look normal! Is this what you want for your child??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHLnjiISsOo&feature=related

This is no joke! Bites can be very painful!

Or would you rather get a dog like THIS for your family??

The Kids of Homecoming - 2010 | The Kids of Homecoming-2009 | The Kids of Homecoming - 2008 | The Kids of Homecoming - 2007 | The Kids of Homecoming - 2006 | The Kids of Homecoming - 2005 | The Kids of Homecoming - 2004 | The Kids of Homecoming - 2003 | The Kids of Homecoming - 2002 | MAC Show - May 2008 |


Take the time to investigate the "stories" you hear about these dogs! Don't just believe the folks listed above -- they are following a small group of blind leaders that got them into this mess! Learn about the splinter guru's -- investigate their LIES!! The reason that man purchased one of their pups was because they told him horror stories about my kennel!! Supposedly all of my dogs are crammed in small "runs" full of manure, etc. etc. -- so I asked him why he never bothered to investigate?? http://www.shilohshepherds.com/newzion/
 

I have been under Department of Agriculture inspections for nearly a decade now -- we have inspectors coming here on a regular basis, and let me assure you -- they are VERY "picky" -- despite the fact that this place was a professional boarding kennel -- I still had to invest over $40,000 into covering all of the indoor runs with tile & grout, etc. etc. http://www.shilohshepherds.com/theRestOfTheStory.htm


Yet I have some clear pics of the sliver leaders, like Patti who are always spewing forth lies about my facility while they keep THEIR dogs locked up in little basement pens or barn sheds!!  So be sure to check THEM out too!  Don't miss all of the other articles on that site!

If you are seriously looking for a great family companion, then it's up to YOU to research the TRUTH! There's more to breeding dogs than JUST having puppies!  ASK THEM ABOUT THE SHILOH GENETICS!! I bet they have NO CLUE!! Here is an analysis of what *their* expert has written: Genetic Deception?

It's a shame that John Q. Public doesn't bother to get educated about dog breeders/registries/etc.  If people took on the responsibility to do the RIGHT thing by these creatures we would have a lot less of them in the shelters!

Puppy Producers: What are They?   | The Other Side of the Other Side of the Story

Broken Hearted Shiloh Shepherd Breed Founder Reports
 

Just look at these charts -- as soon as those [bleep]s smelled potential money they started to mass breed mutts calling them "shilohs" and then selling them to others that have also continued this foolishness! Just take some time to study this article, it clearly points out what they are all about -- GREEDY [bleep]S*!

Even the Wiki has some great info in there about "registries"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed_registry

Be sure to note this quote!!!

"There are also entities which refer to themselves as registries, but which are thinly-veiled marketing devices for vendors of puppies and adult dogs, as well as a means of collecting registration fees from novice dog owners unfamiliar with reputable registries and breed clubs"

And if that's not enough info, go ahead & read some of my very easy to understand articles!! http://www.issr.info | Confusion | Registry Comparisons

WARNING- PLEASE NOTE- The breeders listing SHILOH SHEPHERDS as part of their kennel name --
 are the biggest [bleep*]s of all! http://www.shilohhistory.com.

* As per the legal action taken against me, by one of the folks listed below, the term "frauds" has been changed to "Bleeps".  ROTFLMAO.

Important Message from Tina Barber

Furthermore, upon legal advice to "just remove the names" of those that are insisting on using my name in order to sell their pups because they have threatened to take ME to court in hopes that I would choose NOT to WASTE $$ fighting them all over the country -- I am doing so for EACH one that has sent me a threatening request so that YOU can clearly see WHO they are!! VBG! However I am leaving the rest of the info as it was.

IF YOU HAVE PURCHASED A PUPPY/DOG FROM ONE OF THESE PEOPLE YOU CAN TAKE LEGAL ACTION.

We have researched each website carefully in order to determine "registry" affiliations for each breeder and the information we gleaned is documented below.  TSSR and NSBR website information accurate as of 6/5/2010.

Kennel Name/
Breeder
"Registry" Location State/ Province Country Short Quotes from their website defining breeding experience/goals with informative links/Tina's notes in purple as needed
7 Stars Shilohs
Dawn L. Ganss
NSBR Leechburg PA

"I believe in knowing what your dog will produce before you breed. Proper testing of hips (OFA/Penn hip), and temperaments of your lines give you undeniable knowledge of your breedings  My mother, 40+ Champions in Dachshunds, Afghan Hounds, Corgi, and Papillons."
How can someone with that kind of background fall for the [bleep]???  It's  almost unthinkable!!  Granted that the "old timers" didn't know about LMX etc.. but this person should have been jumping for JOY after reading my articles -- unlike "others" she would have been able to relate to their importance!!  These dogs are not "just tested" we have an extensive litter mate program that has been in use for decades! 

Adirondack Shilohs
Carey Goyette
TSSR Plattsburgh NY

"Our foundation stud, Aquilo, is a broad-headed, large boned, Shiloh from old-lines; we hope to carry those valued qualities into the future of the Shiloh Shepherd breed" Please note that they got a pup in 2004 & as soon as he matured this person became a "breeder"????  Planning to CARRY ON the amazing qualities they saw in my dogs, by breeding to German Shepherds??  Just take a look at the  3 litters already produced & the 4th one coming up!!   What a joke!!  They are just LHGSD's.

Atlantis Shiloh Shepherds 
Kailah Clarke & Derek Fishley
TSSR Little Britain Ontario
Canada

Since the only information I could find regarding this breeder was their name and address, I sent them an e-mail asking for more details, or a website? The reply?? Who is this? I think that is VERY interesting since nearly everyone else "out there" has known **MaShiloh** for decades!!! However, these folks -- that claim to be breeding MY dogs -- have NO CLUE as to who I am???? Maybe they should visit http://www.shilohshepherds.com/newzion/

Azzaro Shiloh Shepherds of Mountain Top
Angelo & Nancy Azzaro
unknown Northern Poconos PA Puppies Puppies Puppies Puppies Puppies Puppies Puppies Puppies
No "about us", just lots of pics to entice buyers!! Genetics?? They do 'testing' but we must wonder what they know about the carrier factors? http://www.awsaclub.com/healthgenetics/caninegen.htm
B&T/Ridgewood Shiloh Shepherds
Trish Beltz
TSSR Bernville PA "Health and temperament is extremely important to us and is what we strive for in our Shiloh Shepherds"
How nice, isn't that what every breeder -- of all breeds -- should strive for??  However, the point of having a distinct  *breed* is to stabilize TYPE (what the dogs should LOOK like) and from the pictures I have seen -- and those giant kitey ears -- those dogs should never be used for breeding!!   After being involved with the [bleep]s for several years, and now holding officer positions, you'd think that these folks would know better then to promote  "home raised" puppy mills! 
Babbling Brook Shiloh Shepherds
Valerie
NSBR Easton PA

"Breeding Longcoat Shiloh Shepherds, Pennsylvania Shiloh Shepherd Dog Breeders SPECIALIZING in Large LONG- HAIRED SHILOH SHEPHERD PUPPIES...Please Check Out Our Current Litter's to view these awesome puppies from our last litters..."  Nothing about the *breed* -- just puppies 4 sale -- lots of puppies 4 sale -- come & buy our puppies!! Our puppies are *home raised* so they are better then those coming from a professional??  WHAT A JOKE!!  Maybe these folks should have taken some time to read THIS!  Go ahead & Google up those terms & read what REAL breeders have to say about such folks!! <barf>

Bay Breeze Shiloh's
Janet and Larry Biersack
NSBR Forked River NJ

"Our next Shiloh Shepherd Maggie came to us in 2004 from from CJ's Shiloh's). Our 3rd Shiloh is Squiggles who we decided to have live with us for a forever home.
Squiggles was born on 2-26-05  When our female Maggie
who was bred with our Storm had her puppies. Our 4th Shiloh Haley came to us in 2005"
Just like all of the others, they have puppies & keep more dogs, and have more puppies, etc. etc... very typical of BYB's that are just "in it" for a few extra bucks!!  As I search their sites I can't find ANY breed info (a sign of a great breeder is to share breed history & then to share *THEIR* kennel history - accomplishments) just look up ANY breed and that is what you will find.  HERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE:
 http://www.covy-tuckerhill.com/history.html
well, except for the [bleep] sites --
THEY JUST WANT TO SELL YOU A PUPPY!

Beloved Shiloh Shepherds
Ellen Brenner
TSSR Cherry Hill NJ

"We’ve loved German Shepherd Dogs all our married life and had one German Shepherd Dog many years ago who produced one litter of pups. However, the health problems and extreme conformation of the modern day German Shepherd Dog was not want we wanted. After much research we found the Shiloh Shepherd Dog..." From the pictures they have on their site they DID luck out with a great looking dog -- but that's only because he was created via MY breeding!!  No wonder he has such great hips << PennHip - LEFT - 0.22   RIGHT 0.22   90th percentile >>  Just look at that pedigree. This (without the GSD mix in it)  is what the ISSR licensed breeders are producing -- CONSISTENTLY!! You can see Laz & all of my best dogs in there -- BUT you can also see the GSD "otx" they used that will water down future generations, especially if bred to more GSD crosses ... as they HAVE been doing!!  It won't be long before you see small scrawny progeny with super sized ears & hook tails popping out of the  magnificent old lines they once stole! And they want you to pay for them when you can get them free at a shelter!

Blitzkrieg Kennels
unknown
NSBR unknown PA

"Home of bCH. CJ's Sampson v. Blitzkrieg! Learn more about Sampson, his adventures, as well as any future breedings and available puppies" As I researched his name I found it being heavily spread among MANY of the [bleep] breeders! Obviously they all wanted to breed to this guy, mostly Lobo daughters (no less) To a male that is out of a Lobo son -- can you spell I-N-B-R-E-E-D-I-N-G??? Well, if that's not bad enough -- Lobo himself is out of a 1/2 brother 1/2 sister combination!! If that's not enough -- we have 8 times Sabrina in one of them & even MORE TIMES in other combinations!! Oh -- yes -- the dog with the SARPLANINAC in her gene pool!! Don't these folks know how to read?? I have posted this information MANY times -- on a regular basis -- all they had to do was to join my forum to educate themselves and read this now!!

Blue Mist Shilohs (Stud) 
Mary Rogers
NSBR Sigel PA

These guys didn't even bother to TRY putting some silly information up there -- JUST PICS OF PUPS 4 SALE!!  Is that all these folks care about -- selling their mixed breed puppies?? They all seem to sing the same "testing" & "home raised" mantras -- as IF that should mean SOMETHING???? Before YOU fall for the [bleep] -- READ The Difference Between Reputable Breeders and Irresponsible Breeders.

Bold Canine Shiloh Shepherds 
Caroline Bolduc/Dave Herz
NSBR
TSSR
Erin Ontario
Canada

As I look at his *best* pedigree I clearly recognize names of dogs that used to be in my own breeding program -- dogs that had TOO MUCH SABRINA and therefore produced some SERIOUS HEALTH ISSUES -- it was because of THOSE dogs that I brought in the NB line! That's why I wrote this article 12 years ago!  From the moment I first heard of him, Dave has done his best to attack me on every Internet forum he can find -- even the Wiki -- he was on a mission to CHANGE the true facts about my dogs!! It was ridiculous!  That's why I wrote my NEW article -- JUST FOR HIM! If you want another "taste" of his "TRUE COLORS" read my 2006 "show visit" report and now he is part owner of ABI Dog Shows.

Brown Farms NSBR   Alabama

"They are excellent swimmers and mountain climbers. They can adjust to almost any environment. Their high endurance coupled with their excellent air scenting and tracking abilities enable them to excel at various public tasks, such as service dog, police work"  www.brownfarms.net
I just love learning this stuff about my dogs!! Gee, I have not sold any of my *real deal* (ISSR) dogs to the police departments in over 30 years -- maybe because the ones I DID sell back then were actually GERMAN shepherds -- not the same "breed" at all!! Maybe these folks need to investigate WHAT a "Shiloh" is, because they are obviously passing along the same WRONG information that all of their friends seem to have! Yet they are ready to BREED pups, right along with their English Mastiffs, Mini Mastiffs, Mini Schnauzer, etc... BREEDS?? They should read ??

Cactoctin Shiloh Shepherds
Becky Althoff
TSSR Thurmond MD

"The perfect bred of dog. We breed both plush (long coated) and smooth (stock coated) Shilohs." Shame she doesn't know that we have the perfect BREED of dogs? Yet she pushes her puppies on every site that will listen to her ravings! For more info be sure to read False Claims.

Checkmate Shiloh Shepherds 
Joanne Brule-Alderton
TSSR
NSBR
Waterloo Ontario
Canada

"We discovered the Shiloh Shepherd breed at the Toronto Sportsman Show in March of 2005, and knew that this breed would be the perfect addition to our family." From what I can glean via their web site, these folks got 2 pets that they are now breeding!  Anyone can have puppies, it takes a *breeder* to produce quality! I do not see anything there that shows me honesty & experience within THIS or *any* breed!  Like so many others -- they are JUST "having puppies" :>(  And they are not Shilohs!

Crossroad Shiloh Shepherds 
Wendy Lavigne
TSSR Brigden Ontario
Canada

"We began our love of the Shiloh Shepherd about 5 years ago when we were looking to add another dog to our home. We knew we wanted a Shepherd." And from the pictures that I can see on their site -- that is EXACTLY what they got --  pet quality GSD's -- those dogs are NOT Shilohs -- not in looks, and certainly not in heritage!  It is also VERY clear that they have NO clue about the REAL Shiloh Shepherds!! 

Denton Hollow Shiloh Shepherds 
Laura Maguire
TSSR West Chester PA

Denton Hollow is listed on the sliver club site, yet no information can be found via ANY search engines??  If those folks are pumping out puppies -- and using MY NAME to do so -- why are they in hiding??

Desana Shilohs
Nancy Emard
     

"Our primary goal is reducing risk for puppy buyers and here is how we do it: PLAN: To produce healthy, stable puppies with significantly lower rates of disorders and faulty temperaments over the next 10 years. DO: Implement a standard of health and temperament testing along with scientific puppy (birth to 8 weeks) raising practices and buyer education strategies."
This "breeder" was a member of the WC (consists of just a few TSSR puppy producers) that THINK they know how to reduce health issues in their breeding program by TESTING -- TESTING -- TESTING!! Unfortunately, if they took the time to STUDY - STUDY - STUDY **genetics** and the **carrier** factors, as well as my **LMX** program then maybe they would be able to figure out that I have ALREADY managed to reduce health issues in our Shiloh's & THAT'S why they are so special!!! Maybe they missed my breed development articles?

Desert Breeze Shilohs 
John & Pamela Currin
TSSR Palm Desert CA

Desert Breeze is listed on the sliver club site but no information is given.  As long as they are listed on the "breeder" sites as active, I have no choice but to include them here.   If these folks are pumping out puppies - and using MY NAME to do so - why are they in hiding?? Maybe they figured out that this is no "money making" venture and just gave up? Can you find them on the search engines? If not, where are they?

Devoted Shiloh Shepherds
Mona Watters
TSSR Dieppe NB,
Canada
Devoted -- links to OUR club -- those people are just TOO MUCH!! "The Shiloh Shepherd was developed in the 1970s and 1980s to highlight some traits particular breeders perceived to be represented (and over time, lost) in the original German Shepherd Dog."   These people are just amazing!! Every site I investigate makes the most ridiculous claims I have ever heard!  There is NO real breed history, genetic information -- NADA!  Just compare that to the hundreds of web pages we have all over the place -- FULL of educational links -- like our Learning Center. Do these folks honestly think that MY Dogs are "just" GSD's?
Dibby Hill      

"new kennel dedicated to breeding Shiloh Shepherds. Our goal is to produce beautiful, healthy Shilohs with sound temperament and working potential."  How do these folks expect to produce "beautiful" "healthy" Shilohs if they don't even understand the BREED STANDARD nor have they bothered to read ANY of my health articles - reports - etc!! ISSR Shiloh Shepherd Learning Center: Breeding and Genetics The ISSR breeders are constantly learning & working with the GTF to help find & eliminate any potential genetic problems -- what are these folks doing?? Spewing forth a bunch of WORDS that they know nothing about??? What a shame -- and they call themselves breeders? Makes me want to puke!

Fairview Farms Shilohs 
Kathy Cerna
TSSR   Ontario
Canada

"We are breeding for temperament, health, loyalty and intelligence. Our puppies are properly socialized from the time they are born to the time they go to their new homes."  What do these people KNOW about breeding dogs???  Anyone can have a litter of pups, it doesn't make that person a BREEDER!!  Just take a look at this page. THAT'S an example of a REAL breeder!! Although it's not always easy to find exceptional breeders like this, you CAN find honest *hobby breeders* that have dedicated themselves to a particular breed & are only interested in producing quality pups that will carry on their kennel name -- not in mass producing puppies for money like the millers are doing!  Take some time to view this chart!

Fireside Shilohs 
Sam Knaus
NSBR Appomattox VA

"I spent hours on the internet reading everything I could about this amazing breed.  A month later we picked up the first of our foundation dogs."    Maybe you should have spent more time educating yourself before choosing to sell dogs you know NOTHING about! The lies *your* breeders told you have slandered my name & you (along with the others) will pay a high price for that! Read The Rest of the Story!

Galaxy Kennel 
Joe & Neyle Larson
TSSR Olympia WA

"Galaxy Shiloh Shepherds, Licensed Breeder, Olympia Washington"  That is what their banner claims -- LICENSED BREEDERS?? --  licensed by WHOM??  Instead of "franchising" my name & charging people that want to use it -- like KFC or Pizza Hut or even Burger King does -- I chose to GIVE people a chance to use my name IF they agreed to a follow a few easy rules -- PERIOD!!  They didn't have to "join my team" but if they DID -- I expected them to fulfill their agreement!!  Since its inception the LBA has gotten much stricter due to all of the abuse that these poor dogs have had to suffer!! All of our data is listed on the web. Where is *their* club/registry data listed???

Gallant Watch Kennels
Carol Walton
unknown unknown TX

"We are truly grateful for Keeley and Rosey’s breeder, Deb Dennis, for her expert knowledge and to Mary Capps breeder of Thunder for entrusting to us the care of these special babies." NONE of these people were EVER in the ISSR program!  One owned a pet King, the other a GSD! Doesn't anyone bother to research?  The ISSR doesn't breed littermates!

Gatewood Shiloh Shepherds
Todd Mattox and Mary Spiro
NSBR   MD

"Dindi, our fourth dog, is a dual registered German Shepherd and Shiloh Shepherd. She is registered as a German Shepherd with AKC, NKC and UKC and as a Shiloh Shepherd with NSBR." THESE FOLKS ARE EVEN ADMITTING IT NOW!   Their "shilohs" are also registered as GSD's!  So why are they selling the pups with false papers??  Because they can charge MORE MONEY for them!  It's THAT simple!

Glorious Kennel
Ben Landfeld
NSBR Cleveland OH

"The Shiloh Shepherd dog is a relatively new breed. They were started around 1960 by breeding German Shepherds with Malamutes." COMPLETELY FALSE!  Another "so called breeder" that knows NOTHING about my dogs!  The *MAW* (GSD/Malamute mix) was not added to my program until 1986!!  Full history details have been on our web sites for nearly 2 decades, all these  folks have to do is to read my articles or even look at pictures! What is wrong with these people? Pedigree Examples.

High Caliber Shilohs
Kimberly and Michael Murnyack 
unknown Central Pennsylvania PA

"High Caliber Shilohs is thrilled to announce the arrival of nine lovely puppies from our beautiful Kiana and handsome Murphy. Planned for 2011, Murphy took it upon himself to escalate our timeline..." Isn't that interesting!!  Accidental breeding? Yet the site hits you with We Have Puppies! Terra/Aquilo b. May 31, 2010 And the beat goes on!!  Just like all of the others -- nothing about the *breed* just about "them" (what nice people they are & how their dogs are raised IN their home because they ARE just their pets)  DOESN'T THAT PROVE THAT THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THEN BYB'S??

Highland Hills Shilohs 
Gail Hamm
NSBR Yorkshire NY

States on website that dogs are registered with the NSBR but she is not listed on the NSBR website.  Just breeds pet quality GSD mixes - BUT runs ads in the local papers for "shilohs". Just like the others, her dogs' pedigrees prove their NON shiloh ancestry!  You can get puppies just like the ones she is selling locally for free or a lot LESS MONEY! Read http://shilohfraud.com/ 

Island Mist Shilohs 
Sherry & Joe Drebnicki
TSSR   British
Columbia
Canada

"We live on beautiful Vancover Island and share our lives with 4 amazing Shilohs Shepherds; Misty, Nimbus, Halla & Virga. We are a small kennel..." Another BYB out to mass produce pups that they may be defrauding the public with!!  Just like all of the others, they don't share any breed info -- because they don't KNOW ANYTHING about *this* "breed" -- all they know is that IF they claim that their pups are ***shiloh*** shepherds they can con folks into paying BIG BUCKS!  24,434 PEOPLE HAVE READ THIS PAGE  but I guess the [bleep]s forgot to???

JNL Pocono Shilohs 
Jan Santini
TSSR Moscow PA

"I object being called unscrupulous, breeding inferior dogs this writer has never met, simply because I choose to be involved with the ...."
First of all, the *unscrupulous* reference was made regarding  ALL of the [bleep]s!! Second of all, it's just a FACT that any of those people that have chosen to breed AKC German Shepherds (that had real GSD papers) and selling those pups as Shiloh Shepherds in order to charge MORE MONEY  are cheating the public -- therefore they ARE unscrupulous -- CASE CLOSED!  All of the honest REAL DEAL SHILOH owners that have read this article -- loved it!!! True Stories Read them!

JVF Shilohs
 unknown
NSBR unknown PA Another site listed on Judy's registry pages! However, I have not been able to locate any information about them anywhere.  Even the Internet Archive could not find them! I did find the old Genesis LHGSD site but these folks seem to be extremely elusive.
K&C "SpiritPath" Shilohs 
Kent & Colleen Greathouse
TSSR Auberry CA

No website could be found here either, possibly because of the new puppy mill laws that some of these folks would like to avoid by NOT selling their (home raised) pups via the web?? LOL  Since these folks all seem to follow the "home raised" BYB mantra, let me take a moment to share http://www.akc.org/breeds/eurasier/history.cfm  It's an interesting story, so read it!!

 
Kellisa Shilohs 
Jan Berman
NSBR   Ontario
Canada

"Although her vision for this dog was the same vision a lot of people had, Tina was the first person to officially   breed this type of dog. In the beginning things ran smoothly and a type of dog emerged. Unfortunately power seems to have gotten in the way and most of the original people, who worked with Tina at the time"  ANOTHER FALSEHOOD -- none of those [bleep]s worked WITH me to create this breed!  They didn't even know it existed! I spent all of my inheritance & nearly 30 years breeding an average of  25+ litters per year in order to set type!! THEN I continued my development program under the ISSR banner for ANOTHER 2 decades & I can prove everything I claim!! http://www.shilohhistory.com.

Kindred Spirit Shilohs 
John & Monica Popaduke
Unknown Hawthorne NY

"We will continue to strive on producing quality bred Shiloh Shepherds to maintain and improve on the standards established for this immaculate breed"
HUH? Another one talking about "standards" -- do these folks have a clue as to WHAT they are talking about??? Aren't these the guys that wrote *their own* standard (blueprint) for MY dogs??  Who ever heard of such a thing?? Can you imagine a few BYB's getting together and changing ANY breed standard -- just for fun???  Oh, that's right -- these guys are also "self appointed" *club directors*  of their own self-serving club. ROTFLMAO

Koonab Shilohs  
Jerry Slade
Juanita Pike
NSBR Cambridge Ontario
Canada

"Koonab Shilohs is a trusted and licensed breeder of Shiloh Shepherds. We select and breed our dogs to exacting standards."  Standards? How many R they using? Do they know that it represents a BLUEPRINT?  What organization "licensed" these folks? It certainly wasn't ME! ISSR Licensed Breeder Requirements Now read the ARBA Story!

Let'R Buck Kennels 
Linda & Pat Kennedy
TSSR Pendleton OR

"The Shiloh Shepherd is a Rare Breed very similar to its close cousin, the German Shepherd Dog, in looks, however with increased size, level topline and a gentler demeanor." Is this all they *know* about my BREED??  If that's true, then why don't these folks bother to LEARN more about the REAL DEAL?? Obviously they are just following the herd  until they fall off the cliff, like some of the others already have!  Maybe someday they will read The True Shiloh Shepherd Story!

Lightning Ridge Shiloh Shepherds 
Elaine Herron
TSSR Pitman NJ

Lightning Ridge obviously designed the web site for the Shiloh Zone  a group that has been trying to "hang on" since the original split way back when - but can't seem to muster up enough folks that WANT to deal with *their* system!!  After all, why should they collect (and even share) "health data" on their dogs -- it might get **exposed** to their competitors & then they wouldn't be able to sell as many pups!!  Maybe these folks should have taken some lessons from others that WERE successful with their breeding programs?? If you check their web sites, many  "breeders" listed are actually GSD people.

Mac Shilohs 
Heather Yates
TSSR Central Square NY

"Our journey into Shilohs officially began in 2002 but really was the culmination of a decades old mystery. It all goes back to "THE" dog I had as a child and my search ever since then to find another like him in looks, intelligence and temperament." Yet these folks never bothered to investigate the truth!  Obviously they fell for the [bleep]s story & ended up pumping out more GSD mixes, instead of the REAL DEAL!  Why didn't they bother to study my huge Q & A -- full of answers that would have helped them do the RIGHT thing, instead of misleading the public by passing off GSD mixes  as Shilohs! How can these people sleep at night? Just read Tina Speaks!

Maramar Shepherds 
Marla & Margaret Campbell
TSSR Leesburg VA

So far this is the first one of *their* breeders that shows nice pix of her Lobo son but did not breed him due to his bad hips! Nothing else could be found, although the site DOES mention that "puppies" will be expected?? Maybe the kennel owners should take some time to read the Shiloh Wall of Shame before choosing to associate with this group?? This **club** has even gone so far as to make up THEIR OWN breed standard for MY dogs -- who ever heard of such a thing??? Obviously these people live in a world of "their own making" LOL. Be sure to read my reports!

Marilyn's German Shiloh Shepherds Marilyn White None? Piedmont MO

From her breedersclub.net ad: "Sire is a Champion sired AKC German Shepherd from SchH3 working lines. Dam is a registered Shiloh Shepherd, working on her title.  My past clients that keep in contact with me are extremely happy with their German Shiloh Shepherd dogs." DID YOU "GET IT"??

MD Shilo Star Kennel
Michelle Pelescak
TSSR   MD

"Nyssa was born in Kentucky on March 1, 1997. She comes from mostly the Kari line which is known for producing super intelligent dogs with fantastic movements, a great trainability, and protective yet gentle temperaments."  Nyssa was a nice pet, but didn't make size & should not have been bred -- nevertheless my advise was ignored & she had a litter that looked more like the light colored GSD shown at the top of this page. In  one of my broken hearted reports I pointed out her faults & the backlash was unbelievable -- obviously these folks didn't care WHAT their dogs looked like (I think I called them Corgi mixes) as long as they could SELL THOSE PUPS!!

Meister Shiloh Shepherds  
John and Laurie Laursen
NSBR Brookville PA

"It is our goal to further the development of this breed by providing to you, Conformation Champion Stud Dogs who are health and temperament certified. We hope to pass on the loving nature, solid bone structure, tight hips, large size and sound temperament that our dogs possess through select breeding's that will only serve to improve the breed, and to facilitate established breeding programs." THEY want to *further* the development of MY breed??? These folks don't even have a CLUE as to what the Shiloh Shepherd IS!! I saw the pictures of their LONG HAIRED GERMAN SHEPHERD DOGS!! That is all they have, just like other AKC dog breeders that are HONEST about what they are producing!! Why don't these folks join up with THEM??? In all honesty I like the ears on *Samson* better then what the slivers are producing!! Let's be honest -- THIS is where their dogs came from so why are they pretending that they have "shilohs"???? They should read the articles in the Learning Center and stop selling [bleep]s.  "We currently have 3 home raised males from diverse lines one of whom is an "Old Line Shiloh".  Laurie and I were likewise honored to be named to the NSBR's (National Shiloh Breeder's Registry) Board of Director's, where we will strive to improve the Shiloh Shepherd Breed" Here we go with the *old line* again!! Why is it that these folks can't UNDERSTAND that ALL of my dogs are Shiloh Shepherds!! I listed my foundation stock VERY CLEARLY in this article! These folks keep spewing forth lies about "Tina's secrets" -- but they never bother to Google up ANY of the articles I have been sharing for the past 20 years now!! www.shilohhistory.com and don't forget my 56 page Real Questions/Honest Answers from the Shiloh Shepherd Breed Founder.

Midnight Shiloh Shepherds  
unknown
NSBR    Ontario
Canada

"Welcome to Midnight Shiloh Shepherds. We are located in Mississauga, Ontario and we share our home with 2 Shilohs, Meeka and Brodie." Another Ontario "puppy producer" that has 2 dogs, but plans to keep growing so more "Brodie" pups can be produced??? From what I can see, this is a SMALL LHGSD that doesn't even look like one of the nice ones I have seen on the web!! These folks don't list ANYTHING about the breed -- about themselves (as accomplished breeders) etc... they just list some "show wins" they got via THEIR (paid for) club!! Gee, is THAT the best they can do?? Sorry, but I am NOT impressed! Maybe these folks should have read
http://www.wonderpuppy.net/1breeding.php

Miracle Shiloh Shepherds 
Jan Burke
TSSR
Formerly SSBA
NSBR
  Prince
Edward
Island
Canada
"In 2001, I established Miracle Shilohs, and welcomed the first litter of "Miracles" into the world..." & ever since then they have been pumping out pups faster then anyone else in Canada!! But when I look at their "breeding stock" I just can't get over the SMALL SIZE & KITE EARS! These folks need to look up the word MENTOR!! Legitimate HOBBY breeders (aka "small breeders") have mentors -- no matter WHAT breed they are working with!!!  Even cat clubs have mentorsGo ahead -- do a search on your favorite breed!! Look up the word APPRENTICE.  That's how a novice goes from being a BYB to someday becoming a REB -- but that process can take DECADES!! If you Google up any reputable kennel you will see that they have been "around" for a LONG time! Here's an example of a REAL REB --now compare BJ's bio to what the [bleep]s have shared about themselves <excuse me while I barf>
Mt Airy Shiloh Shepherds 
Nancy Dietz
TSSR Mt. Airy MD

"Our goal is to work together with Shiloh Shepherd breeders across the country to promote and preserve the Shiloh Shepherd..." Promote & preserve MY dogs??? I THINK NOT! How can these people claim that they are doing MY job when they don't even know WHO I am or what these dogs are all about?? Have ANY of them even bothered to read my book?? Have any of them ever bothered to read ANY of my articles?? I have HUNDREDS of them all over the web!! If they did bother to find out WHAT my dogs are all about, maybe they would NOT be bastardizing them like they HAVE been doing!! As for "health testing" -- maybe they should read my genetics articles because from what I have seen -- they are going to be producing some horrible diseases VERY SOON -- and will end up tarnishing the wonderful reputation that I have spent a lifetime building  for the REAL DEAL SHILOH SHEPHERDS!! WHAT A SHAME!!!!!

Mountain Top Shiloh Kennels
Jennifer Stanley
    MD

"The Shiloh Shepherd's overall appearance is large and domineering, and commands attention. They're broad and strong with a broad and noble head. Their skulls have strong developed cheekbones, and a gradually tapered muzzle. Both upper and lower thighs are well muscled. The tail is quite long and thickly covered with dense hair hanging down like a plume. Shilohs have either smooth or plush coats ...." Who are these people?? Where did they come from??  Where did they get their "foundation" dog from?? This was all I could find!!  No pedigree -- no registry -- NOTHING!!  Even the about us is confusing?? "Since childhood, we have always owned a shepherd.  We've had both American and German pedigree dogs; and loved them all. Like most American pedigree owners, we were unfortunate enough to run into displacia issues with hips and elbows; something more common in American pedigrees due to the years of genetic mixing to obtain the low sloped back.  It was this issue, combined with the typically smaller stature of American pedigrees that led us to German pedigree dogs.  These dogs offered significantly better backs, hips and elbows and a larger stature." How nice - BUT what are they breeding NOW?? WHY??

Mustang Shiloh Shepherds
Carol Cernak
TSSR South Salem NY

"Our goal is to help move the breed forward by breeding for health and temperament and planning how our progeny will contribute to the gene pool" #1. How can anyone "move" forward if they have no clue as to where they are going?? #2 This breed HAS been bred for exceptional health & temperament for nearly 4 decades now, all you have to do is read the reports   #3 There is NO chance for any of the sliver progeny getting accepted into the ISSR database, and that is the ONLY registry that has been maintaining COMPLETE records for these dogs since 1991 -- with LMX data entries going back to the 60's!!  No other self proclaimed *registry* could EVER compare! http://www.issr.info  

Mystical Shilohs
Unknown
NSBR Springbrook Springbrook
Canada

"An unknown lady in the US, who has been a German shepherd fancier, had been breeding these dogs during the 1960s. During the 1970s she changed her standard of breeding, and started breeding very large Shepherd dogs. During 1990 she registered the Shiloh Shepherds with the American Rare Breed Association (ARBA) as a different breed from the German Shepherds."
UNKNOWN WOMAN???  LOL!!! Read that again & THINK!! How can these people claim to be breeding MY dogs if they don't even know WHO I am?? After all -- Shiloh Shepherds = Tina M. Barber & EVERYONE knows THAT!! All you have to do is to Google up those  words & you will find my name ALL OVER THE PLACE!! I just checked -- 21,500 results were found -- How did these folks miss THAT??????? Visit my breed founder Learning Center page.

Nottingham Shiloh Shepherds
Marti Nottingham
TSSR Lovettsville VA

"I fell in love with the Shiloh’s. They reminded me of the “Old GSD” I owned as a young adult. I was given the opportunity to own a Shiloh" - So does that mean that everyone that gets a pet has to start breeding (mass producing) fake Shiloh puppies?? What ever happened to honest HOBBY breeders that get involved with a mentor -- join their parent club (not a fake one run by inexperienced novices) then go to shows, seminars, etc. etc. THEN -- after getting to know their breed, they may choose to have a few litters --THAT is not what these puppy pushers are doing! Here's a basic, non-biased comparison!

O'atka Shiloh Shepherds 
Lisa Huber
Unknown Caledonia NY

"If there is only one thing you take from this web site, let it be this, research your breeder thoroughly and assume nothing." Maybe they should have taken their own advise??  Instead they went off & kept adding more dogs & mass breeding mutt puppies!  Since they are practically in my own backyard (right along with about 5 other [bleep]s) it's easy to see the penny saver adds growing & flyers hanging at the grocery stores, etc... pushing these pups!!  How disgraceful for such a magnificent breed -- STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT!!  Every year we have people fly in here for HC from all over the world, just to spend time with REAL Shilohs & attend our seminars -- and then there are folks like this that THINK that they know more then I do! Can you spell *j-a-c-k-a-s-s-e-s*?

Ocean State Shilohs 
Nancy and Gregg Ponte
NSBR Chepachet RI

"Our Shilohs come from some of the breed's best lines for temperament, intelligence and conformation.  We capitalized on our impressive beginnings in our own breeding program..." From what I could gather these folks now feature 12 "breeding dogs" and have had -- how many litters -- just in the past 8 years since they got their first pup!!!!  Can you say **puppy mill** ???? The site shows adorable pups -- but NOTHING about *the breed* -- because they have NO CLUE?? Probably, they are just having pups -- like all of the others!!  Maybe they should have read some of my articles or the real story!!

P&C/Ridgewood Shiloh Shepherds 
Christi Yonavick
TSSR
(formerly SSBA)
Birdsboro PA

"DNA testing of parentage is an important part of the Shiloh Shepherd breed.  Our Shilohs not only had DNA on file with Stormont Laboratories, but they have new DNA on file with UC Davis Laboratories, in California.  Ridgewood  believes that DNA testing should be continued and encourages all Shiloh Shepherd breeders and Registries to continue this program"  Why do these folks think that they need DNA testing in order to find out what is in their dogs?? All they had to do was to ASK ME!!  LOL There is NO need to test (in order to "discover" the Shiloh "secrets") -- DNA wouldn't tell them anything anyway! Unless they are concerned about parental verification -- knowing who the parents were of the pups they are passing off as shilohs :>(   Don't you wish that these folks would have read The Games People Play?

Please read      

HERE WE GO AGAIN!! What do these folks mean by "scientifically" breeding MY dogs?? Have they bothered to read about MY "formula" for the past 48 years???  Full details have been published all over the web for decades!! If they wanted to breed MY dogs, they could have joined MY program  -- instead they are producing LHGSD's and claiming them to be something they are NOT!! Furthermore -- they don't even KNOW what the "old look" was like!! I bet they never even bothered to investigate ANY of my old pictures - pedigrees - stories -- etc. etc...

Phenom Shilohs  
Claude and Mirjana Venne
NSBR
TSSR
Pembroke Ontario
Canada

"Our envolvment with this magnificent breed started many years ago with the adoption of our GSD rescue, Marleau.  Marleau was to be a companion for our older malamute rescue, Kieura." Just like all of the others --they look like "nice people" but they know NOTHING about my dogs! In 2004 they picked up their FIRST pup & now they have already HAD 7 litters, with 2 more JUST born & 3 more coming!!! WHY? If they rescued dogs in the past, why pump out puppies now that will be filling the shelters up again? They may THINK they are breeding "shilohs" but they are WAY OFF TARGET! Folks like this should have bought my LER Manual & studied the pictures! Or at least STOP complaining about my BREED FOUNDER articles & READ THEM!

Phoggy City Shilohs
Kelly D. Hooverer
unknown Lawrence KS

"Kyann had litter of 6 puppies. We have a few left for sale"
That's all I could find about them - or their dogs (except for a few pix) seems like they are ONLY interested in selling their pups!! Since my articles have been hitting the mainstream web sites most of the [bleep]s have also gone "underground" via FaceBook!!   Once they start a page, they try to invite REAL breeders (ISSR) to join them in order to gain some semblance of credibility -- and of course, confuse the public as much as they can by hiding "amongst us" *in plain sight* -- great new trick that HAS been working!!! Many REAL Shiloh owners never bother to check out the folks that "invite" them, and therefore accept these poison invitations from the *dark side*  Be sure to check out Confusion!!

Private Stock Shiloh Shepherds 
Karen & Mark Zikosky
TSSR Taylor PA

"We fell in love with the Shiloh Shepherd breed after a search for a companion for Storm. Malibu came home with us a few weeks later & life has never been the same ...."  From the pictures I can tell that they have 2 females now & already had/are expecting pups!  If you are interested in a BREED of dog, you contact  experienced breeders, you study the breed & trust them to help you select a suitable companion based on *their* knowledge/experience with THAT particular breed -- for this you expect to pay a bit more for your "pet".  However, if you JUST want a pup, you look for one in your local paper & expect to get an AKC pet for a LOT less money then these [bleep]s are charging! INVESTIGATE B-4-U INVEST!

Rainbow Shilohs Non listed Not given Not given

"Puppies, puppies Everywhere -- We are the proud family of 10 new puppies. 5 males, 5 females. Mom did an excellent job of delivering on March 12, 2010." Nothing about genetics, health testing, you name it -- these guys don't even list a registry!! LOL Just that Shilohs are "A TYPE OF" long haired "german shepherds" and they have puppies to sell!! That's all they care about -- getting big bucks by using my name!! They don't even know WHO I am -- but they know that it's OK to steal my name!! SOUND FAMILIAR?? Looks like the [bleep]s have done a good job of passing around the bull!! Now it's up to all of us to keep up the EDUCATION so that folks CAN learn the TRUTH about these magnificent dogs!

Regal Shilohs 
J Wiszniewski
NSBR Streetsville Ontario
Canada
"Magnus is standing at stud to select ladies, for natural cover, or fresh or frozen semen. Color: Ash Blonde Sable"
Yet when I looked at the pedigree -- he is 100% AKC! Never mind the fact that he is listed as "ash blonde"?? out of the 36 colors we have THAT's not one of them! Looks like these folks just love to make up their OWN "standards" - colors - genetics - etc.. Yet they refuse to STOP USING MY NAME!!!!
Rockbridge Shilohs 
M Boucher
NSBR Oro Ontario
Canada

'About the breed?? Just shows part of a sliver standard (fake blueprint) and claims "used with permission from Shadowgate"" interesting, since I have full copyright rights on the REAL Shiloh Shepherd standard!!  I guess that those folks can't even respect  government laws!  Full details have been available all over the web since I wrote my ARBA STORY

Semper Fi Shilohs!
Barb & Doug Kirtley 
TSSR Horse Shoe NC

"When the opportunity arose, we acquired our female Peppermint Patti. Teufel, Pepper, Sniper, and now from our own breeding, we added Libby to make up our “furkid” family." Not only have these people bastardized my kennel name -- they have even done so to (NCIS) Gibbs! Semper Fidelis <always faithful>  the Marine motto disgraced too! From what I can see on their site they have a male - 3 females - and LOTS OF PUPPIES COMING!!  This is not a "hobby" kennel -- these people are just puppy milling pets!  Just like all of the other minions that have followed the sliver mentality -- they don't want to do the RIGHT thing by this BREED -- they are just producing LHGSD pups for more money by claiming that they are "shilohs"  <barf> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Shilohs of Dalikida 
Kim Frost
NSBR
TSSR
Burlington Ontario,
Canada

"Today our home consists of our three Shiloh Shepherds , Karma, Lakota and Mace" That's a sweet story but doesn't qualify these folks to become breeders! As I searched their "breed info" all I could find is the watered down sliver standard & a blurb about ME developing these dogs -- yet they have chosen NOT to breed them as per my formula?? BTW . I was a bit surprised by that nice BIG dog too -- till I discovered that he was one of those stolen ISSR littermates! Although they had a few of them, early on, their genes are too polluted now to produce more! WHAT A WASTE!!

Silver Moon Shilohs
Marilyn & Don MacKay
Unknown Unknown ME

From what I can glean -- they don't "market" their own pups -- they just produce them??  But they do share lots of pics of their GSD's -- only one could actually "pass" for a Shiloh (Remy) but upon closer examination he is just FAT & very low stationed! I did find parents names, but those dogs are 3rd or 4th generation mixes crossed with  even more GSDs!!  Why would these folks even THINK that they were breeding Shiloh Shepherds?? Breed History of the Shiloh Shepherd

Smoky Mountain Shilohs 
Dotty and Bill Drummond  
NSBR Franklin NC

I saw a lot of pictures of pet quality LHGSD's ... no full pedigrees, but the names listed were unknown to me. Some sizes were also listed, but a 16 mo. male should  be much bigger then THAT!  95.5 lbs (or the second one 89.9) at 16 months. These are not proper "Shiloh" representations!  What about their pups, are they breeding back to more GSD's? They will NEVER get the size, or hips, or even temperament BACK!!  All they can accomplish is to pollute the genepool!  These folks should have studied my work before mass producing  those pets! ISSR pups are much bigger!

Snowdancers Shilohs 
Sarah Carney
 
NSBR Seward AK

"Home of "Snowdancer Midnite Sun Miracle" (McKenna) and "Glorious Yukon Snowdancer" (Yukon)."   Since this guy is being used at stud all over the place I searched out his pics -- SHOCKING -- small, soft backed long haired GSD with a ski slope for a stop &  oversized ears!!  WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING???  Even his pedigree is a joke (sire: bCh Ty-Ka-Ke New Beginnings/ dam: Glorious Astra Lucky Star). 

Yet they proudly announce all of their "test" results, even the fact that he is *brucellosis negative* -- in other words it's like announcing that I don't have syphilis!!  ROTFLMAO -- these folks are just TOO funny!!!!!! 

Snowflake Shilohs Shilohs
Carolin Hoefer
Unknown Western PA PA

"Snowflake Shilohs is a rather new, and still developing kennel. As we gain more experience, we might add a breedable bitch to our program. We're currently in the process of developing our website .... stay tuned for more to come." Seems like these folks come out of nowhere! Granted, she seems to have a nice large LHGSD -- but so what -- breeding him to inferior bitches isn't going to do anyone any good!! Why is it so hard for these folks to grasp the concept of EDUCATING THEMSELVES??? These folks should have studied ALL of my articles  then joined our forum & got to *know* more about these dogs -- THEN attended some shows, the Homecoming, etc.. and THEN applied to join the 3 year OSSA program!! That is what HONEST breeders do!

Solstice Shepherds Unknown Burlington NC

States on Facebook page: "RAISING SHILOHS AND GSD'S SINCE 2005. WE HAVE THE OLD STYLE STRAIGHT BACK SHEPHERDS. LIKE THEY USED TO BE --  WE HAVE BETWEEN 1 AND 3 LITTERS A YEAR AND WILL OCCASIONALLY HAVE AN OLDER PUPY OR A YOUNG ADULT AVAILABLE AS WELL..." Comments on current litter "mother is west german import and father is old style (shiloh shepherd)" Visit pg. 24/25 for pics.

Southern Starr Shilohs 
Ann Fachet
TSSR Bowie MD

"I will agree with you though that whats now being bred isn't where I want to see this breed go." Since I was unable to locate some of the sliver sites, I e-mailed them & managed to get several private replies -- the quote above is one of them!  After bragging about her "old style male" and him being the "oddball" in the ring these days -- because of what the others are doing -- I pulled out that short  line, because maybe a few of the others will try to educate themselves too???

Spirit Shilohs
Carrie
Unknown Silver Spring MD

"We are located in Silver Spring, MD. where we reside with our 4 Shiloh Shepherd's and 7 Maltese's..." It looks like they have Maltese pups too -- wonder what the American Maltese Association  thinks about them?? That would be a good indicator of their "position" as "breeders" in the real world! LOL I have also noticed that a lot of these fake shelow breeders tend to have a "second" breed too -- always smaller ones like the Mini Bulldogs, etc. Guess they must need a bit of "extra" $$, eh?? AMAZING!

Stall Europa Unknown Waterford VA
From looking at their web site I can see some awesome looking horses, but nothing about the shiloh BREED?? Very interesting!  If you look at the pics, you see the "original" sire -- he is a Lobo son & looks just like my other Shep progeny , but while MY 3rd & 4th generation pups produced dogs like Charley & Piston -- their foolish breeding program shows small - bitchy headed GSD's like Quinn!!   People can lie - but pictures don't! Check out  http://shilohshepherdpuppies-issr.blogspot.com/
Star Kennels
Sandra Sanderson
TSSR Willard UT

"Our first Shiloh is Alexus and we were hooked. A few months later, we got our second Shiloh, Natasha and decided to breed her. It seems our Shiloh family keeps growing." When I read this stuff it is absolutely scary!!  How can over 100 people be so easily mislead??  There must be some POWERFUL greed going on here!!  Not one of these folks have ANYTHING credible listed about the BREED -- and that's what they are supposed to be all about??  Working for the benefit of the breeds future?? BY CREATING mixed breed pups?? THESE FOLKS NEED TO READ and study REAL bio's of REAL "dog" people that HAVE made a contribution to their respective breeds -- none of THOSE folks acted like these BYB's do <barf>  Please read my Critical Links articles.

Stardust Shiloh Shepherds
Gary & Traci Runyon
Unknown West Chester PA

"We honestly don't know if that dog existed anywhere but through a child's eye, where all things appear large, mystical, and magical. At Stardust Shilohs we believe in that childhood dream and are working with others to make it a reality." I didn't quote the first part -- it was so foolish -- suffice it to say, THEY are going to be 'working with others" to make MY dream come true?? HELLO -- I think I've done a pretty good job of creating MY "dream dog" without ANY help from *those* folks!! The proof is in the pudding -- or should I say the thousands of dogs that exist because of MY efforts!! These folks need to order my book & read my articles!! Obviously they have NO CLUE -- just like all of the others "out there" pretending to be ME!! http://www.webring.com/hub?ring=shilohhistory

Sterling Shiloh Shepherds
Yvonne Dean
TSSR Brampton Ontario
Canada

"a premier breeder of that magnificent dog, the Shiloh Shepherd"--How can anyone breed the perfect 'shilohs' if they don't even know WHAT they are??  Their web site proudly shows off puppy pics, but NOTHING about breed history, genetics, etc. etc. WHY?  Because they probably have never bothered to read ANY of the info in our Learning Center??

Sugarfoot Shilohs
unknown
SSBA Goderich  Ontario
Canada

"We came upon the Shiloh Shepherd breed when our old dog passed away. We were initially impressed with their size, plush coat and colouring..." Great, they liked the LHGSD -- lot's of people do -- but now they are ready to start pumping out puppies that they will be selling AS "shilohs" to other folks that will be pumping out MORE puppies that they will sell as "shilohs" to more folks that will continue to do likewise!!  WHEN WILL THIS INSANITY STOP??? 

Sunshine Shiloh Shepherds 
Anita Pino
TSSR Hialeah FL

"Here at Sunshine Shilohs I am striving to keep the pure Shiloh Shepherd alive and well by only using the pure Shiloh Shepherd in my breeding program. I believe that in order to keep the breed true and maintain proper breed type it is essential to breed Shiloh Shepherds to Shiloh Shepherds. My goal is to keep the Shiloh Shepherd looking the same as it did years ago." Pure Shiloh Shepherd??  What does THAT mean?  I have over 80% of MY **pure** Shiloh Shepherds spayed or neutered because they are PET QUALITY!!  That is what GOOD breeders do -- they know how to properly select the "cream of the crop" and NOT breed faulty dogs!!!  I actually went so far as to write an article that pointed out her dog's faults -- because she kept trying to push HER **type** of "shiloh" all over the Internet!!

Sure Foot Shepherds
Michele Jesme
Unknown Thief River Falls MN

"The Shiloh Shepherd is a large even-tempered and intelligent dog that is was breed from large European German Shepherds and crossed with a Malamute.  The breed was started by Shiloh Kennels of New York and other East Coast breeders in the 1980’s and was recognized as a rare breed in 1992." It looks like every site I visit has some shocking news for me!!  THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE!!  First of all, I highly doubt that any GSD person will tell you that Lance of Fran-Jo was a "large European GSD"  Nor would they say that about Paladen or any of the other dogs in my foundation lines!!  Go ahead -- look at my pedigrees!! "crossed with a Malamute" -- Gee, I didn't know THAT -- ROTFLMAO!!  But the best part is the *OTHER BREEDERS* song they like to sing -- I would just like to know WHO *they* were -- since I never met them!!  Why didn't *they* run ads in the dog mags back in "those days"???  SHILOHHISTORY.COM Who were *they*?? What ever happened to "them"???

Takoda Shilohs
Ina & Mac McDonald
Unknown Wilmington NC

"Takoda means a friend to all and that is what we are striving to be at Takoda Shilohs." If these folks want to be "friends" to all, why are they breeding fake shelows?? They are also listed as being affiliated with BOTH registries -- cute -- wonder what THAT is all about?? Another one of the things that I have noticed is that they are using a LOT of "Winnie" progeny (produced Juvenile diabetes in her litter!) and Lobo (reported to have produced several pups with VT) yet they keep spewing forth the "health testing" mantra!! Honestly -- why don't these people get George's book & READ IT!!

Thunder Shiloh Shepherd's 
Jeff & Kathy Teller
NSBR South Western OH

"It is my goal to better the Shiloh Breed not only with conformation accomplishments, but also with Obedience and Agility Training which showcase the Total Dog.  Of course our utmost concern in addition to the above is to breed towards Cheri Schell's dream of a Healthy Future for our breed.  To this end our Shiloh's are extensively Health Tested before being offered for breeding.." I retained the entire quote because this seems to be the ONLY 'common' mantra I keep hearing & it needs clarification!!   Top AKC breeders have been "health testing" their stock for decades -- IT DOES NOT WORK!  Dr. Padgett has proved it via his book!!  Serious breeders went to his seminars & set up "Health Surveys" as per HIS guidelines -- that's exactly what WE did over a decade ago!!  Be sure to click on our HEALTH SURVEY 2000!

Timber Lane Shilohs 
Carol Beard
TSSR Accident MD

This site is under construction -- but puppy announcements are already flashing!!  Guess it does NOT matter what kind of dogs they are -- nothing about THE BREED -- just puppies FOR SALE!! I guess it's not hard to guess where *their* priorities lie!!  OMG -- aside from the litters being listed -- they DID put up "their" puppy application -- ummmm -- gee, that application looks awfully familiar, wonder where they could have "stolen" this one from!!  ROTFLMAO -- Can't these folks come up with ANY ideas of their own??  I have seen them use LMX (gee, where did they get THAT idea from???) and many of my other terms -- yet they claim that they never wanted to "be involved" with "Tina's system" because *they* know more then I do about MY dogs!!  ROTFLMAO

Twilight Acres 
Terri-Lynn Thomson
TSSR Warwick Ontario,
Canada

"Our love for Shiloh Shepherds began in 2008 when our 9.5 year old Rottie passed away.  After seeing a picture of some Shiloh puppies all dressed up for Christmas, I just had to find out more about this breed.  I began my research and loved everything that I was reading about them, I even thought that it sounded to good to be true." Obviously  these folks didn't bother to find out the TRUTH about MY dogs!! Instead, they bought into the hype and purchased inferior "breeding stock" from the [bleep]s!!  Now they are preparing to pump out puppies just like the other imposters are doing -- all over Canada -- what a crying shame!!  Instead of doing things the RIGHT way, like the ISSR licensed breeders are doing (getting educated via my OSSA) so that they can help me to expand our gene pool -- the BYB's  just want to have PUPPIES!   Learn more about them -- read my Tina Speaks articles!

White Mountain Shiloh's 
Ann-Christina Turley
TSSR Lakeside CA

Amazing, the only "breed info" I could find were links to the sliver club's propaganda!  Nothing about "the breed" provided from this "breeder" -- obviously they are ONLY interested in promoting their  litter announcements in order to sell their mutt puppies for big bucks!!  If they want to claim a "profession" why 'don't they bother to educate themselves about their product? Maybe they should read Broken Hearted Breed Founder

Winsper Shilohs
Jen and Joe
Unknown East Freetown MA

"In 1999, Joe and I brought Sarg (a German Shepherd) into our home.  We loved our Shepherds! By 2001, we were anxious to add another, more laid-back dog to our family. We searched for months, trying to find the right breed for us...Then, we discovered the SHILOH SHEPHERD!" In other words, they got their pup in 2003 & now they are PUPPY PRODUCERS??  Wow -- how quickly these people "move up the ranks" -- it's SHOCKING!  Can you imagine someone getting a cashiers  job  at Wal-Marts one day & a week later taking over as CEO of the entire world wide operations!!  Maybe that's why I can't seen to find ANY *real* BREED INFO on any of their sites!!  Reputable breeders share BREED INFO!!  Just google up ANY breed, check the breeders credentials -- that's what the "about us" is for!! 

Woodside Ranch Shilohs 
Phil & Joyce Hamblin
TSSR Bend OR

"About 9 years ago, I did research on the computer and found the Shilohs Shepherds. They won my heart; it was love at first sight. We got our first Shiloh..." Just like all of the others, they have a pretty web site with lots of pics & gooey slush about how wonderful their GSD's are (it's a great breed -- and the LHGSD is an exceptional dog -- but they are NOT Shiloh's!!)  These folks obviously love GSD's and wanted to breed them -- so WHY are they lying about them??  They bred AKC Golden's, why not just breed AKC GSD's??  There are tons of LHGSD breeders coast to coast!!  While doing their "computer research" maybe they should have read Investigate B-4-U Invest and Breed Development series.

Please read
 
NSBR    

Their entire website quote had to be removed due to their lawyer's letter, but paraphrasing it, the quote basically stated that they do comprehensive health testing and are serious about contributing to the future of the this breed. My reply remains the same as it was - with proof.  After spending over an hour perusing this site I have come to the conclusion that these folks HAVE NO CLUE!!  Yes, they post pedigrees -- but the COI numbers are a JOKE!  I was laughing so hard that I almost fell off my chair reading the reports!!  Obviously they do NOT have a decent database that can provide them with the computations that they would need in order to use ANY of that information -- it just *sounds* good!!  People "think" that DNA means something -- it only proves WHO the parents were!!  Maybe these folks should take some time to study MY articles??

Y'Draig Kennels 
Dia Vickery
TSSR Encino CA

Worst examples of pet quality GSD's I've ever seen!!   I know the dog has passed away so I don't want to attack her bitchy head & oversized ear structure -- but honestly -- although a nice therapy dog & probably wonderful pet, she should NEVER have been bred, especially to some GSD!!  What are these people trying to do -- destroy the REAL Shiloh??  DISCOVER THE TRUTH!!  READ my Tina Speaks articles or visit a shelter!

Zephyr Shilohs 
Leslie Pike
TSSR Grand Falls-Windsor Newfound-land
Canada

"We are a stud kennel only at this time, hoping that our third Shiloh, Bozley, will contribute to the gene pool in 2010." People like this never cease to amaze me!!  In the *real* "dog world" a person would purchase a "show puppy" (or working dog) and then work with a MENTOR for years -- showing, training, breeding, etc.... they would build a reputation!!  Then after 20-30 years of involvement (and production of dozens of champions) that person might apply to become a judge, put on seminars, etc. etc. & THEN try to get elected as a club official!!  Not these folks -- they just walk in & *claim* the hall of fame -- without ever having to do ANYTHING to earn that right!! <barf>  BTW -- contribute to *WHAT* gene pool??  Those GSD's are never going to get any kind of legitimate recognition as "Shiloh Shepherds" & therefore their names will soon be forgotten!!! 

Be sure to note that many of these "puppy producers" claim to be breeding the PURE or OLD LINE Shilohs - but I bet they have no clue as to what they are! If they want an "old line" GSD, they should go to Pioneer!
 

Now, be sure to note the "registries" listed below::
 

Solely registered with NSBR 27
Website claims litters registered by NSBR but not listed as a NSBR breeder 1
Solely registered with TSSR 48
Shared by both the NSBR and the TSSR 8
Solely registered with SSBA 1
Unknown "registry" used 27
Total (as of June 30, 2010) 112

None of them will ever get breed recognition! Read the UKC story! They ALREADY FAILED!!


NEWS FLASH -- Looks like the TSSR is fading quickly!  As I perused the sites to investigate their listed breeders I keep running into dead links, or sites that can no longer be found!  Even their homepage has not been updated in over a year!

If you study the TSSR "mantra" you will hear them ALL chanting **health testing** .... If you talk to these folks long enough they will have you convinced that THEY are saving this breed!!  Sounds good, doesn't it??

BTW, how many "registrars" have been "in charge" since 2002? The ISSR has had only one since 1990!

However -- what DO **you** know about genetics??  Don't feel bad, you are just trusting a bunch of  LIARS!  Do yourself a favor & read http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0031.htm If you are REALLY serious about getting a healthy dog, order Dr. Padgett's book!  http://www.amazon.com/Control-Canine-Genetic-Diseases-reference/dp/0876050046 let me assure you, it will be the BEST $20 you have ever spent & it could save you thousands in vet bills!!! 

Here's a quick example of how the ISSR breeders think -- thanks to Dr. Padgett's seminars http://www.awsaclub.com/healthgenetics/geneticworksheet.htm Most of the [bleep] puppy pushers never met him because he passed away before they even got their first pet puppy!!  Yet these folks claim that THEY know what they are doing??  NOT SO!!!  http://www.shilohshepherds.info/geneticTaskForce.htm 


112 "breeders" spread out among 5 (PLUS) registries? Who ever heard of such insanity?

IF YOU DO NOTHING ELSE--READ THIS ARTICLE!

CAVEAT EMPTOR - REGISTRY COMPARISONS

Please compare the statistics listed above to those of the ISSR Licensed  breeders who are working together -- as a team -- in order to help Tina expand our gene pool ASAP!! WE are working towards a goal.  What are the "bleeps" working towards? Mass producing mixed breed puppies? You be the judge!

The ISSR has been carrying on Tina's vision since 1991!

Licensed Breeder Matrix "Registry" Comparison Matrices | Puppy Producers - What R They?

What could ANY of these WANNABE * kennels listed above be working towards? Producing nice puppies? Why not just work with the Long Haired German Shepherd breeders? At least they could claim HONEST (AKC) registration papers! Or if they want to develop a "new" breed, why don't they pick a name like SELAH SHEPHERDS since that is what most of them are breeding!! As I have continued to investigate these "kennels" I have noticed a common trend -- NONE OF THEM KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MY DOGS -- MY VISION--OR ANYTHING ELSE!! All they are interested in is producing lots of nice "pet quality" puppies in order to MAKE MONEY!!

A good example of the sliver minds -- Chary Pack -- is listed on their roster as ONE of the "leaders" that DEVELOPED these dogs!!  That's what folks believe -- I saw it on several sites -- they spew forth that a GROUP of "breeders" in NY worked VERY hard to "create" these dogs!!  Then they use *THAT* fact to give themselves the right to "continue their development" -- as if THEY had some kind of a clue as to what they were doing!  It's just a ring of smoke & mirrors that the public was buying into!! 

THAT'S WHY IT'S TIME TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH!!!!!!  SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS-- CHARY -- LISTED AS BREEDING THESE DOGS SINCE 1986!!!

http://www.tinambarber.info/whoAreThesePeople.htm  Full documentation has been on the web for years!  That's Chary's true story -- published in the Rare Insight magazine in 1998!

http://www.shilohshepherds.com/buyersBeware/charyPackRareInsight.pdf  She came to VISIT me in 1986 -- so did a LOT of people!!  Let's try to recall that I sold hundreds of puppies every year -- because I WAS developing this breed -- does that mean that ALL of the folks that bought pet pups from me can claim to have developed THIS breed??  How ridiculous is THAT??  Chary never had a litter of pups till 1995, yet in order to *pretend* that she has some kind of "credibility" the slivers list her as of 1986!!  They did the same with Wendy -- her husband Mike came to me in '89 to buy a PET GSD -- that dog was later spayed & NEVER had pups -- yet they list her as being a "Shiloh breeder" before I even stepped into the rare breed world!!  I posted HER story too -- and all of the other fakes can be found here also!!   http://www.tinambarber.info/openLetterJackie.htm  

They also have a problem distinguishing between "kennel names" and "breeders" aka Puppy Producers!! If you take a look at their library list of "kennels" you will see 36 of our Registered Kennel Names listed - STOLEN - from our website! That alone should prove how dishonest those folks are!

None of these people have EVER been involved with "THEM" and many have requested that their names be removed - but to no avail - the other club wants the NUMBERS, in order to "puff up" their "credibility"?? LOL

What's the difference between a hobby and a "backyard" breeder??

SHOW POINTS!

Thoughts from the Dark Side
Mind of a Fool

As I continue to expose the foolishness of the [bleep]s they seem to flood me with e-mails & phone calls -- some send in letters like THIS ... << we have been all laughing our heads off....you make fun of my one spelling error...if you ONLY knew what we you just did for me....it is a wonderful tool for us to show and use. >>  Be sure to note the bolded words!  Can you believe that this lady is a school teacher!!  ROTFLMAO

BTW .. If that wasn't bad enough, the pup she purchased from me was born in November 1996, therefore she didn't "get" her until January 1997 -- yet she is claiming << TSSR Breeder 15+ Years of experience with Shilohs >>  in May 2010 -- so I guess she can't COUNT either?  However, most folks would NOT dare to consider themselves genetic experts regarding a particular breed, just because they owned a puppy!!  It takes a LOT more experience to become a good breeder -- anyone can *own* a pup & even let that dog "have" a litter -- big deal -- just turn them loose & let nature take its course!

There is no need to expose who sent me what -- just take my word for it, this is a direct quote from a private sliver email!  <<  Something needs to be done agreed, but the way you go about it, hasn't worked so far. I think calling yourself the Breed "Warden" isn't the ticket either and as I've seen scares people away. It might behoove everyone involved to try something a little more diplomatic, like conversing. >>

Taking a look into their thought process CAN be interesting!! 
Obviously those people can't seem to grasp basic social concepts!

#1. It's MY breed -- I have a right to name them & control what I do with MY gene pool!!  Throughout history people like Max Von Stephanitz (German Shepherd),   Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann (Doberman Pinscher), Parson Jack Russell (JRT)  etc. were respected as breed founders, and of course when they started their development programs THEY were the obvious breed wardens!!  I guess some folks have NO concept of what a breed warden IS??  They just assume it's some kind of "self appointed dictator" -- but without proper direction, NONE of those breeds listed above -- or any others for that matter -- would have ever become what they were meant to be!  Granted -- foolish BYB's have ruined many of them since, but that's another story!

#2. Let's face it -- Shiloh Shepherds (kennel) is MY business -- a business (like KFC, McDonalds, etc.) that I dedicated a LIFETIME into building!!   When I realized  that I needed help in expanding my gene pool I could have HIRED people to whelp pups for me!!  In a "normal" business set up I would have paid the expenses & then paid them PER live (healthy pup) just like ANY other employee!!  Instead of selling their pups for $3,000 EACH (and some of them demanded even more) they would just be *working* for me!!  If I had done that, then I would have had a right to fire them as soon as they messed up!  Another option was to set up a Shiloh Shepherd franchise & this would ALSO force those folks to follow directions & even PAY ME  franchise fees!!   Just like they would have to do if starting a Dunkin' Donut shop, or even a Tim Horton's!

Yet these folks think that I have NO right to demand a certain standard of quality?? 

What pumpkin truck did they fall off from??  They run around jumping for joy telling everyone that I was stupid enough to trust in "human nature" and therefore did not trademark my name -- so now THEY can STEAL IT??   Is that something to be proud of??  Scamming a person who has sacrificed a lifetime just to create something special -- & then have to watch these fools rush in to destroy her work -- and THEY ARE PROUD OF THEIR [bleep]*???

#3. Instead of opting for plan #1 or #2 -- I chose to open my arms to these people -- only ASKING them to agree to some very easy - basic - rules that many others have had NO problem dealing with!!  The original LB agreement was much milder then this one! Over the years things have been revised & toughened up & as you can see by these charts -- strict rules DO work!!  We have been getting a lot more dedication from people that joined the program lately,  because they care about the future of these dogs  -- instead of jumping in like the [bleep]s did to make a few bucks!

INVESTIGATE!! Everything I have ever done has been/is still being fully documented!


Who are these people dedicated to - a new age guru? 
 
Private Businesses have a right to choose their own logo's - emblems - whatever they feel properly represents *them*. If someone chooses to work for/with that company they have to accept that fact, or find another job!  It's not up to the employee to make changes because *they* don't like something, and then attack the company owner for his/her beliefs!  I have NO intention of rejecting my savior just because a few "people" demand it of me!!   Tina's Testimony 1987 and 1998.
 
One of the things that started the FIRST "riff" within the SSDCA was caused by the FISH!  I have used that symbol for these dogs since the day I named them!!  What's in a Name?
 
That symbol was in all of my public ads, I was NEVER ashamed of the Lord, and it didn't stop people from buying MY puppies! However, that is what the gossip was -- that these "new breeders" would loose sales if they ALLOWED me to keep my fish symbol.  (View two examples of the original logo)  So they changed it to the **new age pyramid** .
 
That's a very good example of how these people think!!  First of all, this pedigree lists a bunch of mutt names (NOTHING to do with my dogs at all) and even the club logo that I designed for our club BACK IN 1991 (and that WAS properly approved by the membership) was desecrated!!   You can view the entire "ISSDC" history (including the fish war) via our documentation of the 1997 club split.
 

What is an "old line" Shiloh?
The original "old line" Shiloh's were ALL **attack** trained!! Many of them were extremely hard & were NEVER used in my "new breed development" program!! When I chose my foundation lines I eliminated all of the German lines that had hip - health or aggression problems! 

None of those dogs were allowed into my gene pool!!! Maybe these folks should go BACK to the 70's & 80's pictures & take another look at what a Shiloh Shepherd was???

1986-87 Stockbook | 1981 Kennel brochure | 1979-80 Picture Collage

There are many "types" of GSD's -- obviously the [bleep]s haven't been able to figure that out yet!!  Maybe that is why they keep mixing everything up in order to convince folks that they are producing MY NAME because that is what has been selling their fake pups??  CONFUSED?? You should be, so take some time to read .... Quality Breeders of Large German Shepherds and Shepherd Breed Types with lots of pictures and my Shiloh Shepherds vs. GSD article!

Tina M. Barber Discusses the Many Controversies Facing the Shiloh Shepherd | Breed Box - Shiloh Shepherd | Sirius Dog: The LMX Program

 

 

A Final Word from the Breed Founder

Please don't expect these charts to be complete - new "FLY-BY-Nights" will be jumping on the [bleep] bandwagon continuously! Nobody can stop them -- these [bleeps]  know how to fool the public with their LEGAL (puppy mill) SCAM!! This is not a "new" thing - they have existed for decades and you are the only ones that can stop them by refusing to be fooled! CAVEAT EMPTOR

The above section among many others was also quoted as if I was just referring to his clients.  Does that mean we no longer live in a country where FREE SPEECH  (personal opinions) are allowed?

As I have been researching these new wannabes, I have also noticed that even their "mentors" (some of the former ISSR breeders listed in the first table) were never around long enough to learn much about my breed -- maybe that's why they have all of these "newbies" running around on such a variety of bunny trails!

It is like the old saying - the blind are leading the blind - because nobody knows where they are going! Like anything  else in life, you will never attain your goals without good leadership! If I wanted to start a football team (and I have NEVER played) and invited a bunch of strangers to "join us" while picking Karen (our club secretary that was never known for playing any kind of sports - because she has 2 left feet and computer ONLY arms) I doubt that we would make it to the major leagues!! That's exactly what these so called "shiloh [bleep]s" are doing and all they are gaining with their greed is to HARM -- OUR -- REPUTATION!! Be sure to read Inbreeding - When is  Too Much Really Too Much and Fred Lanting's The Riddle of  White GSDs.


Please note ** The word "criminals" was removed due to a legal issue and other "legal" updates have been color coded in green italic.

I asked an old REB (toy breed) to view this article and share her opinion.  She came back with: " It's easy to understand their problem with you - THE PRINCIPAL -- when I was a kid I would have loved to start my own school -- then we could have RECESS all day long....well, except for breakfast, lunch & snacks."   LOL!

And I could fully understand what she meant! Why bother working for something BIG, like a degree, when you can "just have fun" -- material girls?? Must be!! These "playtime breeders" are just having FUN!!

9/2010 Update - So Much for Free Speech!

As many of you had noticed, this article was "pulled" from all of the websites/links/rings etc back in July because I received a LEGAL NOTICE from a fancy Internet lawyer that threatened to sue ME -- AND THE CLUB, MY KENNEL, MY CHILDREN, & EVEN MY CLOSE FRIENDS!!

In order to STOP the action I agreed to remove this article from its location and STOP calling *THOSE* folks criminals/[bleep]s, /etc.  (Truth hurts?) The entire matter is in MY legal team's hands right now and if you look, this article is EXCLUSIVELY ATTACHED TO ME ONLY!!

I welcome their challenge and can assure you that if we end up in court (just them and ME) I plan to contact every TV channel and newspaper in the commonwealth of Virginia as well as every NY city, national news channel, etc.  that is willing to jump on THIS story!

In conclusion, although I was warned not to copy/share ANYTHING that lawyer wrote in his letter-- I plan to fully expose the entire silly story ASAP! For now, please note my little green info blurbs within this article.






No Rules - Just Right?

No that's not just the Outback mantra, it's the one adopted by the "new club" that was formed in 2004 to "unite" all of the sliver factions under ONE "umbrella" in order to show that although they are nothing but a pile of shavings, they are forming a tree!??

This mantra was to show unity, among those that just wanted to "pump out puppies" without any rules or regulations - especially any restrictive breeding practices like those the ISSR requires!

Here's a good example of one of "them". 

1. Take a look at this newspaper ad.  This breeder - like many of the others - is claiming to be selling Shiloh Shepherd puppies for $1000 to $1300. 

Why? Please compare with other ads for GSD's in your local paper - most sell for MUCH LESS!! So why the HIGH PUPPY PRICE?

It's because she is CLAIMING these pups to be SHILOH SHEPHERDS - worth more!!

2. Now let's look at her dogs' pedigrees! She lists her "stud" as out of Diamond Hills Lightening Bullet and Von Bruin's Courage, both AKC registered German Shepherds!

Granted, Bullet has dogs several generations back in his pedigree that originated at my kennel - BUT they had AKC papers.  His sire and dam were bred by Alice Fisher who is still using those lines in her program. Please note: The dogs highlighted in yellow were born at Shiloh Shepherds kennels but were AKC registered

Now take a moment to note Super Sweet Sabrina Selah (boxed in red). She is the dam of BOTH Bullet and Zurk.  THIS INBREEDING WAS NOT DONE BY SHILOH SHEPHERDS KENNEL!! Those dogs were not properly bred/selected by Tina Barber! Despite Tina's warnings of potential SAS and other genetic disorders, these litters were engineered by Selah kennels and puppies were then sold for $400 without ANY LMX data being collected!

Since that time (over the past 2 decades) these dogs have been bred out to a variety of GSD's that have NEVER had ANYTHING to do with Shiloh Shepherd Kennels or Shiloh Shepherds Breed Development!
 

Let me share this analogy. If I took my Collie and bred him to a Wolf, Border Collies and Aussies -  what do you think the progeny will look like? How would the AKC register them? Look at this pedigree!

What if someone tried to sell you these puppies as pure LASSIES descendents?

3. But the story doesn't stop there! If you look at the dam used you will see that not only is she out of two AKC German Shepherds with no Shiloh bloodlines, but she is the stud's 1/2 sister! Both share the same mother!

If that's not bad enough, this person is inbreeding on a dog with NO detailed genetic data!
Be sure to read my 1986 Stockbook FAQ!
Where is the LMX information?

Do any of these folks have a clue as to what a Shiloh Shepherd is? Do any of them understand the history?

Shiloh Shepherd History

What do these people really know about MY dogs? Aside from the fact that they can get more money for their mixed breed pups - what do they know about the name they are so openly abusing? Well, I took the time to put together the true stories! Be sure to read my Tina Speaks!

Tina M. Barber, Shiloh Shepherd Breed Founder, candidly discusses the critical issues facing her breed in the new millennium.

Hit Counter
 

Written and compiled by Tina M. Barber, May-June 2010. Revised September 2010.

Powered by WebRing.



 

Copyright 2006-12  Tina M. Barber.  All rights reserved.  All Pictures  and All Articles written by Tina M. Barber affiliated with this site are products and are secured by copyright and may not be used without written permission of the owner of this site. Site owned by Tina M. Barber.