Anyone that has ever been involved with dogs/breeding any kind of animal -- owning a kennel, cattery, or even horse farm that spent decades building a reputation can clearly see the foolishness behind some of the silly statements the "frauds" have been making!!

Outcrossing: “If it’s not an ISSR Shiloh Shepherd, it’s not a real Shiloh Shepherd”. This continuously rehashed statement by the breed's founder is incredibly misleading and most definitely false.  The only dogs in any Shiloh Shepherd pedigrees that are not Shiloh Shepherds are those that were intentionally brought in as outcrosses to maintain genetic diversity and expand the gene pool.

Over 50 GSD's/GSD mixes as per this article?

Can you imagine any "breed" needing that many "outcrosses"???  What is an *outcross* anyway??  During breed development, you MAY need to add 2-3 dogs (within a decade or two) in order to "tweek" certain characteristics.  For example, Don crossed in the Sarplaninac --  BUT just one!   I crossed in Samson (a Malamute/GSD cross) back in the 80's & then I added 2 more about 14 years later (Orbit & Artus) and BOTH have been well documented.  I am also experimenting with one LAST possibility -- but to JUST "breed" to dozens of GSD's (as well as unknowns) and claim them all to be "outcrosses" -- I don't think ANY real breeder has EVER heard of such a thing -- ask them, and they will gladly tell you that those dogs are just MUTTS -- not outcrosses!! 

Now think about this by applying a little common sense!

A) They are trying to convince folks that the Shiloh Shepherd is a BREED -- finished product ... IT IS NOT!!! It is just a kennel name -- working on developing a specific "ideal" as per the blueprint (breed standard) that I wrote!! PERIOD! Please check out shilohhistory.com

Therefore any "outcrosses" brought in (that will clearly CHANGE my stock's genetic make up) must be carefully selected and approved by me (the founder) - not by a bunch of renegades that just want to do "their own thing" yet claim it is a valuable product because they STOLE my name! Don't these fools understand that outcrossing means CHANGING?? When a Golden Retriever breeder outcrosses to a Poodle, you have a RETRI-DOODLE, not a Retriever or a Poodle!!

B) The kennel name Shiloh Shepherds has managed to build a specific reputation because of the careful breeding program that I designed -- consider it a "recipe" similar to that of KFC ... can anyone that starts cooking up some chicken call *theirs* KFC?? Of course not, because of the trademark laws -- but they don't apply to a *breed* (TYPE) of dog, so now you have a bunch of CROOKS that can run around calling whatever mixes they have -- by MY name!!

OK -- now read their statement AGAIN!! How can "normal" people be gullible enough to believe such a stupid lie??? If I experimented with tuna noodle casseroles & finally made up "mine" -- put the recipe up on the Internet & called it
Tina's TNC (for tuna noodle casserole) how can someone just step in - CHANGE THE RECIPE - but still claim that it's "Tina's TNC"??? Sounds ridiculous? Well, what if they used cottage cheese instead of sour cream & substituted my fancy shredded taco cheese with peanut butter & then added in chili beans instead of peas???

Well, that is EXACTLY what those Frauds are doing!!

Making the Change: Whenever any owner or breeder of an ISSR registered Shiloh Shepherd (thus associated with the founder), chooses to disassociated themselves from the ISSR/SSDCA, the breed’s founder will publicly deem their Shiloh Shepherd to be nothing but a mutt. What happened to the thousands of dollars spent to purchase a “real” Shiloh directly from the founder or one of her so called "licensed breeders"? The bottom line is the parentage and genetic history of a former ISSR Shiloh Shepherd becomes immediately irrelevant to the founder as soon as the dog is registered elsewhere. It seems the statement by the breed’s founder, “if it’s not an ISSR Shiloh Shepherd, it’s not a real Shiloh Shepherd” is nothing more than a convenient ploy to discredit all former ISSR associated dogs and their owners, including our alternate registries, regardless of scientific DNA.

First of all, probably 80% (if not more) of the ISSR pups produced are sold as pets -- because they don't meet the stringent requirements we have for breeding stock!!! If the pups have faults, they are still wonderful companions, but they should NOT be used for breeding!! Breeding stock has to pass the ISSR rules (requirements) before those dogs CAN be approved -- and they may not be approved with some of the other ISSR dogs that may NOT be genetically compatible with each other!! We have to run RC & COI reports, etc. etc. prior to ANY approval! The "frauds" just breed puppies! There is NO plan behind their actions, just like any other BYB that sells $50 puppies in your local Pennysaver -- the ONLY difference between them & the slimy slivers is that THESE guys use MY NAME in order to charge thousands of dollars for their mutt puppies!!! You will NOT get the "Shiloh" quality you expected - nor legitimate papers that will mean something in the future -- you are just paying top dollar for a GSD mix, because those "frauds" are good at fooling people!!

Now please go back & take another look at the bolded line -- and THINK about this!! If you went to a breeder & bought 2 AKC pups (with limited registration), then bred those pups & issued your OWN papers for the progeny -- then repeated this process a few more times -- do you think that you could go back to the AKC -- 10 years later & expect them to "paper" all of your dogs?? Of course not, and it does not matter WHAT BREED THEY WERE -- they would not be able to enter AKC shows, or produce registered AKC pups -- because they would be considered mutts -- CASE CLOSED!

As far as the silly DNA stuff goes -- that's another gimmick because the ONLY thing it can prove is PARENTAGE!! I can find any 2 dogs -- of any breed -- get them DNA tested & then compare their progeny's DNA to verify that YES -- those 2 dogs ARE the parents! It does NOT prove that they are GSD's or Beagles -- nor does it prove that they have/ever had any kind of papers, etc. etc.

Granted -- the letters DNA sound good -- like those guys have 'something' -- but good grief -- the puppy mills can give you DNA too!!

LOL ... it's just another silly little bunny trail!

Fraudulent Practices:  Are the breeders of Shiloh Shepherds registered in the NSBR, SSBA and TSSR all frauds?  Absolutely not! It’s actually fraudulent for any "salesperson" of Shiloh Shepherds to disregard the Genetic Heritage of a dog they've sold for thousands of dollars, and arbitrarily alter your Guarantee of a fully registered breed/show quality Shiloh for any reason. Regardless of the final chosen registry, a Shiloh Shepherd is a Shiloh Shepherd, providing the pedigree indicates as such. Calling any owner or breeder of a registered and DNA’d Shiloh Shepherd a “fake” is defamatory and criminal, particularly when parentage is readily provable.  

Here we go with the DNA again!! The problem is that those that DID have an ISSR Shiloh, have since bred that dog to GSD's or some type of mixes & then bred THOSE puppies to more mixes, etc. etc. etc... ask ANY AKC breeder what their breed club/AKC would call those dogs -- and the answer will be mixes/mutts/etc. but NOBODY would consider them purebred without the proper paperwork to prove it -- and I am the ONLY one that has continued to properly maintain the paperwork (database) of MY dogs, using the ISSR as the "registry" that is continuously monitored by ME -- that is why those dogs CAN use my kennel name -- it's THAT SIMPLE!

Granted, the slime balls have a LOT of "registries" listed - but WHY?? Could it be because THEY can't agree on what they are doing? Just take a look at some of my past reports:

Broken Hearted Breed Founder   |  Registries - What R They?  | Critical Issues

Then just TRY to find any other "club" that has so many registries!! It's never happened before!! You may have a bunch of CLUBS that each have a "registry" for their chosen breed - but ONE CLUB with all of these registries??

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Don't Let the Sliver "Frauds" Fool You

Bottom Line: As a group, we’ve made it a mission to ignore the founder’s ongoing assault on our ethics and our dogs. After all, it would be too easy to counter-attack a large kennel full of untrained, un-cared for, malnourished and often sick dogs being sold for thousands of dollars to loyal, trusting devotees. The poor reputation of the founder and her kennel reflects so negatively on the awesome potential of our Shilohs, that the less attention paid to her the better.

Can you imagine any AKC group talking like that about their founder??  Think about it -- check out all of the GSD forums!!  They hold Max in high respect -- the JRT folks try to do what their founder set up & they were willing to FIGHT for their right to protect their name!!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Russell_Terrier

In all honesty -- I have seen all kinds of political wars & club splits in the "dog world" but I have NEVER seen anything as stupid as what the "frauds" have been spewing forth!!  That's why I started the Tina Speaks site -- to take their statements apart & share HONEST FACTS with the public!!  I also started sharing my Zion Tours on line so that everyone could SEE what things looked like around here - inside and out!! I have NOTHING to hide!! We get visitors dropping by nearly every week and they share their experiences on our forum!! Most of the slivers that have been making erroneous statements on line or sending them in to the Department of Ag have never even been here!!

Now look at their list of "breeders" going back to when my kennel was still breeding AKC GSD's -- yet they claim that these folks were "breeding Shilohs" while they were still AKC GSD's!!  OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT A SHILOH IS!!!! 

Honestly -- how could they have been breeding something that did not exist??  I didn't leave the AKC till the early 90's -- any dogs born prior to that were SHILOH SHEPHERDS because they came from SHILOH KENNELS!!  Just like your own children carry YOUR last name!!  Can you imagine me having a child & naming him John F. Kennedy Jr. ??  It's not possible -- or naming my child Barrack Obama Jr. -- do ya think that maybe the feds would be knocking on my door??  Yet these folks claim that they were ME back in the 80's??? Keep in mind - that was even before they EVER heard of my kennel!  That alone should tell you something!!  They even list their "pride & joy" breeders like http://www.shilohs.org/ISSDC/ISSDCBreederHausVID.html--that's why I had no choice but to share the REAL story about Gabby & her "registry" http://www.tinambarber.info/gabyStory.htm 

Maybe I will have to share an HONEST reply about each of the people they have listed on their "wonderful breeders" page -- because I won't take much to expose the truth about ALL of them!!! LOL  

For those that may not understand WHY there is such a war between US & the "frauds" -- please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_breed

<<A dog breed is represented by a sufficient number of individuals to stably transfer its specific characteristics over generations. Dogs of same breed have similar characteristics of appearance and behavior, primarily because they come from a select set of ancestors who had the same characteristics.[3] Dogs of a specific breed breed true, producing young closely similar to the parents. An individual dog is identified as a member of a breed through proof of ancestry, using genetic analysis or written records of ancestry. Without such proof, identification of a specific breed is not reliable >>

In other words -- if you continue to research you will find that ONE "club/registry" is set up to maintain data for a "breed" under development -- not multitudes of "registries, each doing their "own thing" and even choosing their "own" outcrosses!!

If you study the history of other breeds -- like the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesky_Terrier you will always find ONE founder & many years/decades of specific breeding in order to establish the foundation -- you don't find anyone jumping in & claiming the breed (under development) as their own "project" that is fully opposed to what the breed's founder was trying to accomplish -- THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR JUST ISN'T NORMAL!

If you have time -- investigate the history of the http://www.rutlandmanor.com/pages/australian-labradoodle-founder-rutland-manor/educational/breed-standard.php.

Now take some time to read the history of the Doberman http://www.barkbytes.com/history/dobie.htm Can you find certain common parallels between the development of this breed & others? If you would like to see more info, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doberman_Pinscher

Now let's take a look at how the GSD was developed. http://www.germanshepherds.com/thegsd/history/ If you continue to research you will find many clubs (not registries -- but clubs) exist today, but ALL of them try to follow the standard set by Max!! Although in the USA we have a split between the "German working type" and the "American show type" both sides still give Max full credit for the development of these amazing dogs!! Unlike the "frauds" that breed to GSD mixes & claim that they are producing Shiloh Shepherds!

In conclusion, why don't you take the word of one of the most well known genetics experts, that has written the MOST books on this subject -- CARMEN BATTAGLIA    --who wrote
 

<<For example, breeders who choose to create a new breed must be prepared to spend upwards of 50 years of continuous breeding to create a gene pool that will produce entire litters consistent in type and genetics >>

Did you get THAT??  50 YEARS!!!

Now take another look at http://shilohhistory.com/  I have been doing MY part -- and not in a small way (just a few litters per year) but FULL FORCE!!  During the 70's & 80's I was producing DOZENS of litters per year!!  Since I went "rare breed" all of my litters have been recorded in the Learning Center .  How can the slivers step forth & claim that THEY are here to "improve" on my 5 decades of dedication??  Those folks don't even understand basic genetics!!  Go ahead and read my articles!! 

Article written by Tina M. Barber for Tina Speaks, originally published April 2010.

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