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ever been involved with dogs/breeding any kind of animal -- owning a
kennel, cattery, or even horse farm that spent decades building a
reputation can clearly see the foolishness behind some of the silly
statements the "frauds" have been
making!! Outcrossing: “If it’s not an ISSR Shiloh Shepherd, it’s not a real Shiloh Shepherd”. This continuously rehashed statement by the breed's founder is incredibly misleading and most definitely false. The only dogs in any Shiloh Shepherd pedigrees that are not Shiloh Shepherds are those that were intentionally brought in as outcrosses to maintain genetic diversity and expand the gene pool.
Can
you imagine any "breed" needing that many "outcrosses"??? What is an
*outcross* anyway?? During breed development, you MAY need to add 2-3
dogs (within a decade or two) in order to "tweek" certain
characteristics. For example, Don crossed in the Sarplaninac --
BUT just one! I crossed in Samson (a Malamute/GSD cross) back
in the 80's & then I added 2 more about 14 years later (Orbit & Artus)
and BOTH have been well documented. I am also experimenting with one
LAST possibility -- but to JUST "breed" to dozens of GSD's (as well as
unknowns) and claim them all to be "outcrosses" -- I don't think ANY
real breeder has EVER heard of such a thing -- ask them, and they will
gladly tell you that those dogs are just MUTTS -- not
outcrosses!!
A) They are trying to convince folks that the Shiloh Shepherd is a BREED -- finished product ... IT IS NOT!!! It is just a kennel name -- working on developing a specific "ideal" as per the blueprint (breed standard) that I wrote!! PERIOD! Please check out shilohhistory.com
Therefore any "outcrosses" brought in (that will clearly CHANGE my
stock's genetic make up) must be carefully selected and approved by me (the
founder) - not by a bunch of renegades that just want to do "their own
thing" yet claim it is a valuable product because they STOLE my name!
Don't these fools understand that outcrossing means CHANGING?? When a
Golden Retriever breeder outcrosses to a Poodle, you have a RETRI-DOODLE, not
a Retriever or a Poodle!!
Making the Change: Whenever any owner or breeder of an ISSR registered Shiloh Shepherd (thus associated with the founder), chooses to disassociated themselves from the ISSR/SSDCA, the breed’s founder will publicly deem their Shiloh Shepherd to be nothing but a mutt. What happened to the thousands of dollars spent to purchase a “real” Shiloh directly from the founder or one of her so called "licensed breeders"? The bottom line is the parentage and genetic history of a former ISSR Shiloh Shepherd becomes immediately irrelevant to the founder as soon as the dog is registered elsewhere. It seems the statement by the breed’s founder, “if it’s not an ISSR Shiloh Shepherd, it’s not a real Shiloh Shepherd” is nothing more than a convenient ploy to discredit all former ISSR associated dogs and their owners, including our alternate registries, regardless of scientific DNA. First of all, probably 80% (if not more) of the ISSR pups produced are sold as pets -- because they don't meet the stringent requirements we have for breeding stock!!! If the pups have faults, they are still wonderful companions, but they should NOT be used for breeding!! Breeding stock has to pass the ISSR rules (requirements) before those dogs CAN be approved -- and they may not be approved with some of the other ISSR dogs that may NOT be genetically compatible with each other!! We have to run RC & COI reports, etc. etc. prior to ANY approval! The "frauds" just breed puppies! There is NO plan behind their actions, just like any other BYB that sells $50 puppies in your local Pennysaver -- the ONLY difference between them & the slimy slivers is that THESE guys use MY NAME in order to charge thousands of dollars for their mutt puppies!!! You will NOT get the "Shiloh" quality you expected - nor legitimate papers that will mean something in the future -- you are just paying top dollar for a GSD mix, because those "frauds" are good at fooling people!!
Now please go back & take another look at the bolded line -- and THINK
about this!! If you went to a breeder & bought 2 AKC pups (with limited
registration), then bred those pups & issued your OWN papers for the
progeny -- then repeated this process a few more times -- do you think
that you could go back to the AKC -- 10 years later & expect them to
"paper" all of your dogs?? Of course not, and it does not matter WHAT
BREED THEY WERE -- they would not be able to enter AKC shows, or produce
registered AKC pups -- because they would be considered mutts -- CASE
CLOSED!
Fraudulent Practices: Are the breeders of Shiloh Shepherds registered in the NSBR, SSBA and TSSR all frauds? Absolutely not! It’s actually fraudulent for any "salesperson" of Shiloh Shepherds to disregard the Genetic Heritage of a dog they've sold for thousands of dollars, and arbitrarily alter your Guarantee of a fully registered breed/show quality Shiloh for any reason. Regardless of the final chosen registry, a Shiloh Shepherd is a Shiloh Shepherd, providing the pedigree indicates as such. Calling any owner or breeder of a registered and DNA’d Shiloh Shepherd a “fake” is defamatory and criminal, particularly when parentage is readily provable. Here we go with the DNA again!! The problem is that those that DID have an ISSR Shiloh, have since bred that dog to GSD's or some type of mixes & then bred THOSE puppies to more mixes, etc. etc. etc... ask ANY AKC breeder what their breed club/AKC would call those dogs -- and the answer will be mixes/mutts/etc. but NOBODY would consider them purebred without the proper paperwork to prove it -- and I am the ONLY one that has continued to properly maintain the paperwork (database) of MY dogs, using the ISSR as the "registry" that is continuously monitored by ME -- that is why those dogs CAN use my kennel name -- it's THAT SIMPLE! Granted, the slime balls have a LOT of "registries" listed - but WHY?? Could it be because THEY can't agree on what they are doing? Just take a look at some of my past reports:
Then just TRY to find any other "club" that has so many registries!! It's never happened before!! You may have a bunch of CLUBS that each have a "registry" for their chosen breed - but ONE CLUB with all of these registries?? Bottom Line: As a group, we’ve made it a mission to ignore the founder’s ongoing assault on our ethics and our dogs. After all, it would be too easy to counter-attack a large kennel full of untrained, un-cared for, malnourished and often sick dogs being sold for thousands of dollars to loyal, trusting devotees. The poor reputation of the founder and her kennel reflects so negatively on the awesome potential of our Shilohs, that the less attention paid to her the better. Can you imagine any AKC group talking like that about their founder?? Think about it -- check out all of the GSD forums!! They hold Max in high respect -- the JRT folks try to do what their founder set up & they were willing to FIGHT for their right to protect their name!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Russell_Terrier In all honesty -- I have seen all kinds of political wars & club splits in the "dog world" but I have NEVER seen anything as stupid as what the "frauds" have been spewing forth!! That's why I started the Tina Speaks site -- to take their statements apart & share HONEST FACTS with the public!! I also started sharing my Zion Tours on line so that everyone could SEE what things looked like around here - inside and out!! I have NOTHING to hide!! We get visitors dropping by nearly every week and they share their experiences on our forum!! Most of the slivers that have been making erroneous statements on line or sending them in to the Department of Ag have never even been here!! Now look at their list of "breeders" going back to when my kennel was still breeding AKC GSD's -- yet they claim that these folks were "breeding Shilohs" while they were still AKC GSD's!! OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT A SHILOH IS!!!! Honestly -- how could they have been breeding something that did not exist?? I didn't leave the AKC till the early 90's -- any dogs born prior to that were SHILOH SHEPHERDS because they came from SHILOH KENNELS!! Just like your own children carry YOUR last name!! Can you imagine me having a child & naming him John F. Kennedy Jr. ?? It's not possible -- or naming my child Barrack Obama Jr. -- do ya think that maybe the feds would be knocking on my door?? Yet these folks claim that they were ME back in the 80's??? Keep in mind - that was even before they EVER heard of my kennel! That alone should tell you something!! They even list their "pride & joy" breeders like http://www.shilohs.org/ISSDC/ISSDCBreederHausVID.html--that's why I had no choice but to share the REAL story about Gabby & her "registry" http://www.tinambarber.info/gabyStory.htm Maybe I will have to share an HONEST reply about
each of the people they have listed on their "wonderful breeders"
page -- because I won't take much to expose the truth about ALL of
them!!! LOL
For those that
may not understand WHY there is such a war between US & the
"frauds"
-- please read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_breed
In
conclusion, why don't you take the word of one of the most well
known genetics experts, that has written the MOST books on this
subject --
CARMEN BATTAGLIA
--who wrote
Did you get
THAT??
50 YEARS!!!
Now take another look at
http://shilohhistory.com/
I have been doing MY part -- and not in a small way (just a few
litters per year) but FULL FORCE!! During the 70's & 80's I was
producing DOZENS of litters per year!! Since I went "rare
breed"
all of my
litters have been recorded in the Learning Center . How can
the slivers step forth & claim that THEY are here to "improve"
on my 5 decades of dedication?? Those folks don't even
understand basic genetics!! Go ahead and
read my articles!!
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