I wrote the original Don't Fall 4 the Fraud article in January 2006. Events were moving so quickly that I had to add updates in February 2006, July 2006, October 2006 and December 2006! Wow! When you have the extra time, you should study my reports. However, for now, I would like to share a short update and sliver synopsis for those that would like an honest overview.
- Shiloh Shepherds are not recognized as a "breed" -- by any legitimate dog organization! Please review Registries-What Are They?
- The gene pool was started in 1974 by Tina M. Barber at Shiloh Shepherd Kennels! It has continued for over 4 decades -- under HER supervision!
- Since 1991, the ISSR, Inc. has continued to document all genetic data on every puppy born and Tina continues to guide the Licensed Breeders as they help her to expand the gene pool.
- Upon completion of the gene pool expansion program that has continued under the ISSR banner, the stud books will be closed and only the ISSR database will be turned over and then all of the dogs registered within the ISSR will become an "official" breed.
- The fraudss that have been breeding GSD mixes/whatever and proclaiming them to be "Shiloh Shepherds" are only interested in selling their pups for a higher price! They are NOT working with the ISSR (because of the strict rules?) and NONE of these dogs will qualify for entry into the final registry be it a FCI affiliate or AKC.
Read the facts listed below!
Please take a look at the recent outcrosses that are being used; most are listed below, broken down into 4 groups, however, new ones seem to be added daily.
For additional genetic information regarding
the dogs listed below, please contact the kennels from which each originated. You
may also be able to obtain a puppy with honest AKC papers for even less
money!
A. AKC/UKC "Larger" GSD's with some "Shiloh" (Kennel) blood...somewhere...
These dogs were bred by Selah (not Shiloh) kennels. Please don't confuse this kennel name with one of the Shiloh Shepherd NB (New Blood) foundation bitches --Sabrina-- who was produced by Don Baker, as can be clearly seen via this pedigree.
Alice Fisher did have some NB (half) Shiloh progeny back in the late 80's but refused to relinquish her AKC papers so she just continued to do "her own thing" producing $400 pet quality pups within the AKC. Her daughter did not join her program until much later, and since then they have been using the "Selah" name, despite the fact that all of her former "part Shiloh kennel" stock is being outcrossed to other GSD's or inbred on Sabrina in order to produce large dogs, even though there could potentially be serious health risks (like SAS, VT, etc.) resulting from such a practice!
Alice was just a BYB during the late 80's who had some sound guidance from Don Baker and then later befriended Tina Barber. It is high doubtful that she was ever an approved member of the GSDCA, Inc. nor has she titled/championed ANY of the AKC dogs she has produced in the past two decades.
Please take a look at this pedigree Royal Aire is also breeding these same dogs, but the pups are honestly evaluated and sold as "oversized" GSD's with full AKC registrations! If you would like to purchase a dog like this, from an honest breeder, may I suggest that you contact one of these.
| Don't support those that are trying to pass these dogs off as "Shiloh Shepherds" |
The dogs listed below are out of AKC/UKC registered parents (with some OLD "Shiloh" ancestors behind them) as well as being registered as German Shepherds AND Shiloh Shepherd (how many dogs do you know that can become two "breeds"?) because they have been touched by Judy's Greedy Wand and turned into WHAT??
1.
Diamond Hills Lightening Bullet
(registered within the AKC as a GSD)
2.
Kind Kye-Ann Selah
(registered within the AKC as a GSD)
3.
King Cyrus-Selah
(registered within the AKC as a GSD, out of GSD parents)
4.
Viggo Vom Paragon
(registered within the AKC as a GSD)
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Paragon's Kyros von Selah
(registered within the AKC as a GSD)
6.
Sierra's Ryan Express Selah
(registered within the AKC as a GSD)
7.
Sierra's Special Addition Selah (Sire: King Cyrus-Selah / Dam:
Sugar Sweet Selah - both AKC registered GSD's)
8.
Creamer's Luke von Shiloh (registered within the AKC as a GSD)
9.
Zeus Shadow of Shiloh (registered within the UKC as a GSD)
10.
CJ's Selah Genesis Shadara (registered within the AKC as a GSD)
11. Haven's Creek Some
Like it Hot - Devaki/Shadara daughter (registered within the AKC as a GSD)
Pedigree
12. Haven Creek's Oh My Dindi - Devaki/Shadara
daughter (registered within the AKC as a GSD)
Pedigree
13. "Kizer" -
Sire:
Haven Creek's Devaki /
Dam: CJ's Selah Genesis Shadara (GSD)
14.
Shenandoah's Odin of
Highland Hills -
Sire: Diamond Hills Lightening Bullet (GSD) /
Dam:
Von Bruins Courage (GSD) listed as a Shiloh Shepherd by his
owner.
15.
CJ's Vision Meister Galen Von Kellisa (listed as a Shiloh Shepherd
by the
NSBR
but out of Bullet and Kind Kye-Ann Selah, both AKC registered GSD's) -
OFA listing
16.
Pfeifer Moore Henry (Sire: Diamond Hill's Lightening Bullet / Dam:
Kind Kye-Ann Selah)
| Note that Galen and Pfeifer, although out of pure GSD parents are listed in the OFA database as Shiloh Shepherds. Odin is listed as a Shiloh Shepherd on his owner's website. ..... WHY???..... |
You may notice the "Shiloh" kennel prefix on some of these dogs. However, if you examine the pedigrees, you will be clearly able to see that they did not come from the real Shiloh Shepherd Kennel! It's just another ploy they are using to defraud and confuse the consumer!
I stopped using the "Shiloh" prefix for the ISSR dogs in 1990 -- 18 years ago -- and if you examine our pedigrees today, you will see that the Zion prefix has been used ever since!
| Please note: Approximately 7000 puppies were born at Shiloh Shepherds Kennel prior to the selection of Tina's Fabulous Four foundation lines. Please view the last (1986-87) Stock Book for details. |
If anyone tries to claim that their dogs have the Shiloh kennel name in their pedigree--RUN--because that dog must be close to 20 years old, and certainly shouldn't be breeding puppies, unless it's via some kind of frozen sperm that I never froze or maybe via an alien conception!
If
you Google Shiloh lines + GSD you will find Pioneer, Royalair and other
HONEST GSD breeders with the SAME Dogs listed!
Then be sure to view some Real Shiloh Shepherd Pedigrees!
So why would anyone purchase a puppy from a dishonest breeder who is "claiming" that they are producing "shilohs" when in fact they are using unproven GSD/mixed lines? You can find mixes just like that for FREE! Be sure to read Wall of Shame!
All REAL Shiloh Shepherds are bred as per the very strict ISSR rules and meticulous Litter Mate X-Ray (LMX) data that is maintained on all carefully selected breeding stock.
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That's what
makes the "Shiloh" different from the GSD! |
Don't let anyone fool you into paying a high price for an inferior product! Real Shiloh Shepherds are reasonably priced and produced by ISSR Licensed Breeders from coast to coast! Visit some now!!
| Please check the websites
of these Long Haired German Shepherd kennels who are
breeding "old fashioned" "old world" German Shepherds:
Pioneer German Shepherds
<<We have been asked many times by perspective customers
about the Shiloh Shepherd and King Shepherd. These breeds
are not recognized by AKC, CKC nor UKC, but are accepted at
Rarities Shows. We have provided the following links to
answer your questions: There is also a webring for Long Haired German Shepherd Breeders: http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=longhairedgerman There are dozens of long haired German Shepherd kennels listed on the web, all you have to do is surf around a bit! Most of these kennels produce puppies that will be a lot bigger then what the slivers have to offer, and probably healthier and with stable temperaments, for LESS money!
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B. Local Yokels (GSD or GSD/mixes)
These dogs are listed as GSD or GSD/mixes with unknown ancestry. They may have "some" GSD blood in them, but exact details cannot be traced/verified. Dogs like these have often been seen on farms in various parts of the country, and when such a dog has a litter, most farmers are very happy to just find someone who would be willing to take the pups! Be sure to read my little story on the Wall of Shame!
| Don't let the frauds con you into paying thousands of dollars for one of these dogs!! They are NOT 'shiloh shepherds' -- If you do nothing else, be sure to read Protecting Breed Development and Who's Who! |
Then do a Google search for long haired German Shepherds! You will find lots of ads for very cheap AKC pups. Don't get fooled into paying triple for the same pups with FAKE papers! These folks operate under various "registry" names - just look at this chart! Where is the accountability? How many "personal" computers have handled their data? Even their pedigree site is loaded with ERRORS! Refuse to support their fraud!
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Once the REAL Shiloh Shepherd is recognized, all of this hanky panky will be exposed! |
Speaking of "registries" let's take a quick look at another one of the "people" that started HER own registry -- the TSSR!! http://www.tinambarber.info/shep.htm Yes, her name was Patti Shaefer, and NOW she is breeding AKC GSD's that her friend Judy (leader of the NSBR) is turning into "shilohs"!!
| 17. | CJ's Cadence of Shenandoah (GSD/mix) | 18. | Mustang Sally of CJ (GSD/mix) |
| 19. |
Shenandoah's Black Tear Shelly
(Bullett/Cory) (Sent to the Czech Republic as a Shiloh Shepherd) |
20. |
Shenandoah's Black Tear Whitney
(East German GSD/dam unknown. Sent to the Czech Republic as a Shiloh Shepherd) |
| 21. | Kai ' Lyn's Kellisa-CJ Cadence (GSD/mix) | 22. | Shenandoah's Sara of Blue Mist (GSD/mix) |
| 23. | Atlantic's Oscar from Shells (GSD/mix) | 24. | Gracie (GSD/mix) |
| 25. | Shenandoah's Midnight Special (GSD mix) | 26. | Schell's All that Jazz (GSD/mix) |
| 27. | Shenandoah's Keelie of Sierra (GSD mix) | 28. | Bolo's Rise-N-Shine Fuji of CJ's (GSD/mix) |
| 29. | PB&T's New Beginnings (GSD mix) | 30. | Shenandoah's Simply Simone (GSD/mix) |
| 31. | Sierra's Taylor Made (GSD mix) | 32. | Tantara's D'm It all of CJ (GSD/mix) |
| 33. | Sierra's Full Circle (GSD mix) | 34. | CJ's Jager Atherton Von Bullet (GSD/mix) |
| 35. | Kiah Looking Towards the Horizon (GSD/mix) | 36. | Blitzkrieg Atherton Von Bullet (GSD/mix) |
| 37. | CJ's Waylon Colton Still Smokin (GSD/mix) | 38. | CJ's Prince Malachi of Babbling Brook (GSD/mix) |
| 39. | Mustang Shelby's Cobra Jet (GSD/mix) | 40. | CJ's Mountain Snow Drift (GSD/mix) |
| 41. | Regal King Magnus of Kellisa (GSD/mix) | 42. | CJ's Mighty Zeus of Genesis (GSD/mix) |
| 43. | Majestic's Country O'Kellisa (GSD/mix) | 44. | Glorious Sir Odin of Phenom (GSD/mix) |
| 45. | Glorious Ari of Fireside (GSD/mix) | 46. | "River" (GSD/mix) |
| 47. | RSS's Wild Eyed Southern Boy | 48. | Bearpaw-Ridgewood General Lee |
| 49. | CJ- Hilltop's Here Comes Haley | 50. | Daybreaks Peyton of Sierra |
| 51. | Sierra's Reason to Smile | 52. | Sierra's Zoey Taylor Exporess |
| 53. | Kormos Kincsem Parragh of Mustang | 54. | Hau Koda of Sierra |
| 55. | Lakeway's It's Yours Truly-Sierra | 56. | Sierra's River of Rogue Valley |
| 57. | Azaro's Silver Star "Z" Shenandoah | 58. | Glorious' Mystical Sitara |
| 59. | Caliber's Striek Force of Macree | 60. | Glorious Maximus of Joy |
| 61. | Highland Hills Shebear | 62. | Shadowgate's Midnight Thunder |
| 63. | Sierra's Travelin to Makena | 64. | Blue Mist's Meister Lucien Von Jaeger |
| 65. | Smoky Mtn Northern Lights-Bolo | 66. | Majestic's Polar Kaci O'Bolo |
| 67. | Majestic's Iced Krystal O'Bolo | 68. | Nor'easter Winter Storm of Bolo |
| 69. | Bolo's Cosmic Polar Bear | 70. | Bolo's Sikiyou's Summit |
| 71. | Bolo's Siskiyou Flurries | 72. | Bolo's Hi Stepin Keeley |
| 73. | Bolo's Yellow Rose of Texas | 74. | Quicksilver Casanova of Mt Airy |
| 75. | Kai-Lyn's Carter of Mt. Airy | 76. | Catoctin's Peaceable Luke |
| 77. | Catoctin's Sequoia | 78. | Blackwood's Keyway of Catoctin |
| 79. | Mt Airy's Kyra | 80. | Mt. Airy's Francesca DeLa Terra |
| 81. | Rex Rojas of Mt Airy Shilohs | 82. | Windy Glen's Hawk of Columbia |
| 83. | CJ's Might Zeus of Genesis | 84. | CJ"s Mystical Light of Darkness |
| 85. | CJ's Cutter de Cade | 86. | Highland Hills Stevie |
| 87. | Glorious Bristol | 88. | Glorious' Mystical Sitara |
| 89. | Glorious Keep Georgia on My Mind | 90. | Glorious Maximus of Joy |
| 91. | Glorious Jesse New Life |
| Please Note: The dogs listed above are "breeding" of potentially dubious stock. If/when a real GSD was incorporated into their gene pool, then the dogs are clearly marked as (GSD mix). |
All these "outcrosses" since 2002? Talk about mass chaos! Where is the master plan for HONEST breed development? Oh, that's right - they never had one! Guess they don't have any idea as to WHERE they are going, as long as they can con you into paying TOP DOLLAR for their "pet quality" BYB progeny!
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CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE??
Now please compare these dogs to the .....
http://www.royalair.org/page.htm
and be sure to click on ALL of the links!!
There are many breeders that have the same goals --
check them out!!
They come in a variety of colors and both coats types --
with legitimate AKC papers!
You can even get
IMPORTS from Europe or a wonderful pet from the many
rescues!
So why would anyone
purchase a puppy from a dishonest breeder that is
"claiming" that they are producing "shilohs" when in
fact, they are using unproven GSD/mixed lines??
Take some time to read ...
Tina Speaks!!
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C. "Magic Wand" Dogs!
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I mentioned Judy's MAGIC WAND in
this
article (my
first one about the frauds) but NOW you can see just how
much her "wand" has grown -- turning pet quality GSD's
(pedigrees don't matter) into PURE "SHILOH SHEPHERDS"
worth thousands of dollars!!
Here is a partial list of dog names that have undergone
her *magic* -- you need to be VERY careful about
demanding pedigrees from anyone claiming to have/sell "shilohs"
because most of them are JUST fraudS!
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More "Outcrosses"??
D. Dangerous Dogs (Czech Shepherd import)
Whatever you do, never fall for one of these mixes! Czech dogs are wonderful Schutzhund competitors and police dogs, but they do not belong as pets with our modern suburban households, whose owners usually are inexperienced as attack dog trainers. If you are looking for a REAL Czech competition/protection dog, then please contact Alpine K-9. Don't settle for progeny out of unproven rejects that could endanger your family! This website gives information about Czech Shepherds: History of the Czechoslovakian frontier-police dogs.
| 101. Glorious Sony Hronovsky pramen |
| 102. Glorious Max a Million Boy (Czech Shepherd mix - Sony son) |
| 103. Navarre Z Osobni Straze (Czech GSD import) |
| 104. Big Bend's Big Bad Spike (Czech GSD mix - Garrison son) |
Take a peak into the future! This is
what you may be ending up with!
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PLEASE TAKE SOME
TIME TO RESEARCH! Shiloh Shepherd Learning Center Join our Shiloh Community Forums and talk to us! Now take a moment to read my original article!
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June 2008 As you can see, the original listing of 25 "outcrosses" being used in the FAKE shiloh camps has already doubled in less than 7 months! Please Note: If you take a good look at their stud page you will notice that many are claiming "old line" -- ANOTHER LIE!! Unless these dogs have a consistent "Shiloh" pedigree [easily determined by looking at the actual prefixes (Shiloh or Zion) listed] then they are NOT a product of "Shiloh Shepherds" kennel and therefore cannot honestly claim that distinction! Get the facts -- look at the original pedigrees!
Please take some time to read
Although the slivers try to claim the term "outcross" as their reasoning for choosing to breed sound Shiloh descendents to GSD's in order to improve health, this is extremely misleading because health can ONLY be improved by maintaining impeccable data on ALL littermates, especially if a particular dog shows up more than once in a 4 generation pedigree! ISSR breeders have access to a complete database and our continuous GTF research!
Beware of the SCAMMERS! In their attempt to pollute this breed in Europe, the slivers have sent PURE GSD's disguised as Shiloh Shepherds to people planning on breeding these dogs in order to get MORE MONEY for their puppies! If that's not bad enough, they are bringing Czech Working Dogs in to pollute the gene pool they are working with here! Just look at this dog! Now compare to the Real Deal. Why would anyone want to cross a beautiful - gentle -oversized Shiloh Shepherd with a small hard driven "police" dog? Even the Sch folks are laughing at this! The Czech Border Patrol dogs are bred for a specific purpose, and they should be sold into working homes that can appreciate their exceptional talents! Also be sure to note the quote on the first page of their site <<The ISSDC does not validate the details of the information provided by the individual stud owners. It is listed on good faith and provided as the first step in the research process. It is the responsibility of individual breeders to make contact with the stud owner and research their selections fully and make their own decisions.>> Shame on them! Claiming to have "raised the bar" but not willing to back up the dogs that they are promoting as breedable quality?? Wow!! What's the word? Cover your JACK - *SS? The ISSR has always provided HONEST information about the dogs certified with our registry - because we validate the information presented to us as per the ISSR Rules! The day will come when the ISSR will get full recognition and the slivers will be left holding a bunch of worthless papers! Even the Long Haired German Shepherd may someday get recognition via the UKC, like the White Shepherds have done - but without proper AKC papers the sliver dogs will be shut out of that door too! Don't Make a Mistake! Get a REAL ISSR Shiloh Shepherd or a REAL AKC Long Haired German Shepherd Dog! |
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2010 Update Well, it's already happened! The FCI has recognized the LHGSD Go ahead and read about it! It won't be long now before the UKC also recognizes the LHGSD and provides showing venues for these dogs, just like they do for the White Shepherds! However I can assure you that the UKC will NOT EVER accept the fake Shilohs! Be sure to read SSDCA and its members respond to the UKC. The original article, written in 2006, only had 15 GSD "outcrosses" (and mixes) listed -- today we have updated our reports and you may note that 16 new "outcrosses" have been added! Nevertheless, that's only a "drop in the messy bucket" because NOW their gene pool consists of:
That's over 100 dogs that are being used in their gene pool with not even ONE "pure" (formerly ISSR registered) Shiloh Shepherd among them!! Be sure to read this chart! The last fools to leave the ISSR did so in 2006. You can read their leader's story and look at the ages of the dogs NOW! Although the slivers have been known to "pump out pups" until their bitches drop - most of these have already done so! All they have left are the mixes! Even their upcoming litters consist of nothing but MIXES!!
Do yourself a favor and take a moment to read Mind of a Fool! |
Be sure to read these other great
articles too!
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The facts listed below are being presented in an attempt to warn the public regarding the fraudulent scams that they could encounter while investigating the Shiloh Shepherd. |
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Although these dogs, and thousands of others like them, may look like "shilohs", they are not the real deal! If this is what you're looking for, then please give one of them a home, rather than spending thousands of dollars to buy one from the frauds! |
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