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Bev said:

After the loss of my beloved GSD in 1992, I contacted you, Tina Barber, that fall looking for Shiloh Shepherd. After detailing what I was looking for, you stated that you did not have anything available and referred me to Vicki/Mark Smith, Vic-Mar Kennels in West Virginia. On November 14, 1992, Vicki whelped a litter from Captain/Star. I have correspondence with the breeder, cancelled checks, shipping papers and registration papers of the bitch/stud of this breeding.

Tina's reply:

Sorry, if I led anyone to believe that you paid me for that pup.  I will be happy to explain the details!

1.  I sold Vicki a bitch on co-ownership that I felt would be compatible with Captain. I even took a picture of Star with Captain when Smitty picked her up! I wanted to carry forth Megan's line and felt that this would provide me with what I needed.  Vicki was aware of what I wanted out of that litter--a pick bitch that I planned on breeding to Pax.

2. When you called me stating your requirements I told you that I had just evaluated a litter that had a pup in it that would be perfect! However, I had already made my selections, and if you were interested in him, you would have to contact Vicki! None of this changes the fact that he resulted from my breeding program! Just look at the pedigree!

I appreciate your detailed statement listing all of these dogs' AKC numbers. It just proves one thing.  They were AKC registered prior to being inserted into the ISSR, Inc. database after 1993, but that does not change the fact that they were the results of MY SHILOH SHEPHERD (Kennel) breeding program! Just look at the prefixes used in their names!

Bev said:

I may not have been a breeder of Shiloh Shepherds in 1992, however, I was a GSD/Australian Shepherd breeder long before then. You are the one that had me listed as a breeder on YOUR matrix with the 1992 the date. You may not believe that stud owners are part of the breeding program, however, without them there would be no puppies.

Tina's reply:

I agree--stud owners are important, and you joined the SSDCA after purchasing Siskiyou, but that does not mean that you have been "breeding" Shiloh Shepherds since 1992.  I still feel that the way your new club is presenting the "facts" is extremely misleading.

Bev wrote:

Siskiyou and Pitannalee were subsequently bred in Oregon and a litter was whelped July 31, 1995. I was actively involved in this breeding/whelping and received pick-puppy, Willamette's Siskiyou Chaos *aka *Chaos, as payment for stud fee and later received Willamette Valley Santiam *aka *Riot. Both dogs were/are outright owned by me with absolutely no obligation to you or Anne Spalding Prill. You were never involved in either transaction.

Tina's reply:

True! I never said anything different! All I said was that Anne was listed as the breeder. Thank you for confirming that fact!

Bev said:

Despite your insistant offers, I always declined to accept ANY bitches from you on co-ownership to set up a Shiloh Shepherd breeding program here in the northwest. You give away "free" dogs to others on double co-ownerships. Yet, these people do not realize at the time that all they are doing is raising dogs for you. They must provide all the care, feeding, campaigning, advertising, training,
whelping, etc. of these bitches. Then when the puppies are ready for their homes, you swoop down and claim your share. This is not right.

Tina's reply:

Bev, if you have been involved with dogs/breeders for as long as you have been, you must be aware of the fact that this is common practice--always has been! Most long time breeders can't "keep" all of their best pups, but they need to keep their lines going, so they sell them on co-ownership contracts! It's a win-win for both sides! The new owner gets a great dog, at a reduced price, and the breeder gets to keep their lines going!

I have done this with many old-time GSD breeders (actually without the benefit of such contracts, I may never have gotten as far as I have). Some of the co-ownership contracts I signed allowed me to only keep one pup (not even the pick). for all of the time and money I invested into producing that litter! Some expected me to provide them with two litters!

On the contrary, I think my co-ownership contract is extremely fair.  I not only provide the stud service but I only take one-half of the litter, minus odd pup! So if a litter of seven pups is born, I only benefit from two puppies after waiting two years to get those pups.

If I loaned you $1500 and waited two years to get my investment back, I would have a right to expect some interest with it too, don't you think? After all, I am also taking a risk that this bitch may not pass her tests or may not get pregnant, etc! It's supposed to be a partnership! Honest REB's understand the principles behind this system.

Bev said:

$1000s of dollars were spent by me personsonally promoting/showing my two Siskiyou/Pitannaleee puppies over the next several years. Each of which having achieved the highest titles awarded in =International All-Breed Canine Association *aka *IABCA (over 20 titles for each dog). Both dogs earned multiple National Select awards within the SSDCA and Chaos earned his Grand Victor the hard way. Yes, I deserve full credit for the success of these particular dogs. And yes, I am very proud of their achievements, we worked VERY hard for them. All of my dogs have been completely health tested and DNA'd, unlike many others that do not do this. I have gone above and beyond the call of duty as a breeder.
 
Tina's reply:

I never denied this! I even tried to promote your dogs' achievements on our websites! I have always given you credit for blazing the show trail on the west coast! You are an excellent handler and the titles your dogs have earned prove this.  But, that still does not change the fact that the GENETICS behind those dogs came from MY breeding program.

Bev said:

In 1996 Stephen Taylor purchased Zion's Raven Out of the Mist *aka *Raven on co-ownership from Zion Kennels. This is yet another transaction that would not have transpired had it not been for my personal friendship with Stephen. Raven was subsequently chosen by you to breed to Chaos. I personally mentored and assisted Stephen Taylor throughout the breeding process. On May 2, 2000, five
wonderful puppies resulted from this breeding. Raven's Mystical River *aka *River was pick puppy and my stud fee. Once again, you were not involved in this transaction. Do I take credit for this breeding? You betcha! I was as deeply involved as any bitch owner and if it were not for my Chaos, they would never have been born.

Tina's reply:

True! I'm glad that you sent Steve to my kennel.  He was a very nice man and kept his word to breed Raven! I am extremely happy that I managed to get Adam and Meg out of that litter! It just proves the value of a good co-ownership! You got your stud fee, Steve got to sell and even keep a pup, and I got my two pups as payment for Raven. Like I said before, Win-Win! Now those pups will carry on the Laz line for me!

In part of Bev's resignation letter (that you published on every forum that would accept it), she said:

I have never let myself get into a position where someone is going to dictate to me, especially about my dogs. I have gone out and worked hard and been proud of the dogs I present. I do this for myself and the total enjoyment I get from taking a good dog and sharing it with others. This is getting very hard to do with the Shiloh because of all the B.S. that continues to rage on.

To remove me from the Breeders list is fine with me...I am not, nor ever have been an active breeder, that is not my game. I do not have a need to be a part of the numbers game.

Tina's reply:

You were listed on our Licensed Breeder page because you had studs available and joined the ISSR Licensed Breeders program in order to promote their use.  One of those dogs has since passed away so why are you listed on the ISSDC pages as a breeder since 1992?

Bev wrote:

I am very confident and secure of my position in life. It  would be a great asset to the Shiloh if somehow Tina could step back and see how bad it looks from the outside and mend her ways. If she continues as she is, someday there will be no dog show that will accept the Shiloh. 

Tina's reply:

Maybe that would be a GOOD thing! Right now the dogs that are being shown are a disgrace to the Shiloh name!  Please read my Brokenhearted Breed Founder series.

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